Rate these bluffs

FionnMac · #1 06-23-2007, 09:35 PM

Feel free to say which ones you think did/didn't work, whether you would have played them any street differently, and if you think i'm a total spewtard who doesn't know when to give up :P. For all hands assume my image is TAG, had been caught out of line pf with 3/4-betting on at least one of these tables, but not post-flop so far, at least not that they know of.

#1
This guy seemed quite nitty, 19/14/3.5

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($1309.41)
BB ($386)
Hero ($849)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $14, SB calls $12, 1 fold.

Flop: ($32) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB calls $24.

Turn: ($80) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $62, SB calls $62.

River: ($204) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $160

#2
Villain is pretty much a standard TAG reg. 20/16/4. His AF for the flop and turn are 7 and 2.5 respectively. So basically he c-bets almost any flop, but for some reason not this one.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($398)
SB ($740.10)
BB ($394)
Hero ($640.40)
MP ($496.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $4.
MP raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $10.

Flop: ($30) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($30) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $20, Hero raises to $70, MP calls $50.

River: ($170) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $130

#3
Villain was a fish, 40/19/3.5 when i look at his stats now, but at the time i'm pretty sure he was somewhat tighter, no real reads tho.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($551.70)
BB ($500.90)
UTG ($150.67)
Hero ($476.40)
Button ($504.46)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $16, 1 fold, SB calls $14, 1 fold.

Flop: ($36) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $25, SB raises to $50, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($136) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $60, Hero calls $60.

River: ($256) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $200

coxquinn · #2 06-23-2007, 09:37 PM

they all suck but the first one?

Isura · #3 06-23-2007, 09:37 PM

I like 1 and 2. I think he's planning to c/c a lot in hand 3 though. I would 3-bet flop or raise turn in 3.

Get_better_Baris · #4 06-23-2007, 10:22 PM

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FionnMac · #5 06-24-2007, 12:10 AM

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care to elaborate?

plsfoldthx · #6 06-24-2007, 12:27 AM

1 is good
3 is terrible

Jinx · #7 06-24-2007, 12:31 AM

I don't like 1 since if he's even a decent hand reader he knows teh ace doesn't change much.

On second thought 2 blows because you'd never check the turn with a real hand in hand 2.

3 seems okay but only because he bet so little on the turn.

FionnMac · #8 06-24-2007, 12:39 AM

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I don't like 1 since if he's even a decent hand reader he knows teh ace doesn't change much

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I know the ace is a rather 'obvious' scare card, and betting on a blank river might look stronger, but you can't really say it doesn't change much, cos i would still bet AQ/AJ/A-10 etc on the river.

Jinx · #9 06-24-2007, 12:42 AM

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I don't like 1 since if he's even a decent hand reader he knows teh ace doesn't change much

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I know the ace is a rather 'obvious' scare card, and betting on a blank river might look stronger, but you can't really say it doesn't change much, cos i would still bet AQ/AJ/A-10 etc on the river.

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you probably wouldn't bet those on the turn though. Or maybe you would, but most people don't.

FionnMac · #10 06-24-2007, 12:47 AM

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I don't like 1 since if he's even a decent hand reader he knows teh ace doesn't change much

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I know the ace is a rather 'obvious' scare card, and betting on a blank river might look stronger, but you can't really say it doesn't change much, cos i would still bet AQ/AJ/A-10 etc on the river.

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you probably wouldn't bet those on the turn though. Or maybe you would, but most people don't.

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Fair point, i wouldn't bet every combination of A-x on the turn every time, but i would certainly always bet As-Xs and Ad-Xd, but maybe not the other combinations very often...certainly sometimes though. Also since i'm on the button every ace is in my range.

I do agree #3 is probably quite bad though. Anyone like a 3-bet on the flop or raise turn?