Live 20/40 Gar vs. Pro Part 2

Garland · #1 11-09-2007, 05:36 PM

Location: Bay 101 in San Jose, CA
Stakes: $20/$40
Players: Ok semi-loose 9-handed. Aggressive table, but not tricky. Only *** of 5 stars. There is a Pro to my right who to my knowledge has logged well over a thousand hours at 20/40. The game is now 7-handed. It’s possible I screwed up some board card suits, but for sure there were 2 hearts on the flop.

Principal players:

SB – Garland. TAG, with such image and others can sense that.

Button – Pro. Has been pretty tight aggressive. Seems to get most out of hand.

Preflop action: (1.5 small bets, 7 players) Folds to button who raises, I 3-bet with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in SB, BB scrams, button caps and I call.

Flop action: (9 small bets, 2 players) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I check, button bets, I call (with intent to lead any heart turn to protect my hand, but check otherwise).

Turn action: (5.5 big bets, 2 players) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I check, button bets, I call.

River action (7.5 big bets, 2 players) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I check, button bets, I ???

All comments appreciated, results to come.

Garland

that_pope · #2 11-09-2007, 06:13 PM

The river didn't change much of anything. If you think he has AK and is capable of a think value bet, a check raise would work. You were either ahead or behind before this, AJ shouldn't be in his capping range, and JJ should have slowed down on turn, so I can't really put him on a hand that you can beat....but a check raise bluff trying to sell that you have AJ would be my only option besides folding.

But the way I play, I call and muck after seeing AK, because I play bad.

My choice is raise...he folds AK, and probably cry calls AA.

Nostrawho? · #3 11-09-2007, 06:30 PM

I feel like leading on the turn here would give you a much better idea of where you are at and would have been my play BUT as it was played I like a call. With 2nd 2 pair I highly doubt that he was on any type of straight draw and the worst I am thinking I will see is a set. With 8.5:1 pot odds on the river I think a call is the play, though I truly do expect to see a set here.

private joker · #4 11-09-2007, 06:31 PM

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My choice is raise...he folds AK, and probably cry calls AA.

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I see no point in turning this hand into a bluff.

that_pope · #5 11-09-2007, 06:40 PM

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My choice is raise...he folds AK, and probably cry calls AA.

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I see no point in turning this hand into a bluff.

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Then you think he should fold...correct? His opponent shouldn't have AJ or JJ here, so what can he beat that is betting the turn and river?

gaming_mouse · #6 11-09-2007, 07:02 PM

I would c/f. I think that_pope's raise idea is interesting, but I doubt it works often enough.

n.s. · #7 11-09-2007, 09:27 PM

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The river didn't change much of anything.

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I can't really put him on a hand that you can beat....but a check raise bluff trying to sell that you have AJ would be my only option besides folding.

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If the river didn't change anything and we can't call here, they shouldn't we just have folded the turn? Were we calling the turn hoping to spike a J?

CardSharpCook · #8 11-09-2007, 10:36 PM

because on the turn he could still be betting 99/88 that he decided to cap pf. Not to mention QQ. And we have 4 outs vs. his much more likely holdings. On the river, chop is still possible, and hell, so is opp. having a [censored] pp that he decided to 4bet PF. It happens to me enough. But my image is probably looser than yours - so they think it is profitable to 4bet those hands. I think you're making a little money by folding this river, but I can't fault a call. Check/raising would be funny.

jomatty · #9 11-10-2007, 06:06 AM

check raising is interesting but i think you are gonna get called too often out of confusion. takes a lot of moxy to cr a river that is so likely to be checked behind, especially in a spot where your opponent will almost have to pay off one bet with his likely holding. i dont know how tightly people are playing in these situations in this game but i dont know if you can totally discount hands like AJ/AQ/AT just because he capped. hes dealing with an aggressive player who 3 bet a late position open. i like a check call ont he river, although it is close to check fold.

Garland · #10 11-10-2007, 05:28 PM

Thoughts: Check-raising the river never really entered my mind, but it was entertaining idea! I can only beat a river bluff. Well maybe I can beat AJ, AT. Arg, tough decision.

Results: The river bet did not occur, and Pro checked behind and won with 66.

I think I might have cry called if the situation arose, but I think it's a mistake.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Garland