You make the call! Floor decision time...

[Rottersod]

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The action should stand. The floor screwed up an obvious one. The house rule at Bay 101 is the action stands if there's two actions behind you. In this case, the guy behidn the maniac (NG) called, the blinds acted, and the flop came out. There was then several actions after the flop.

The SB owes the money and the maniac guy has a right to be pissed. I suspect I know who the floor was and the maniac, too.

I hope you enjoyed your conversation with haakee.

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Action stands, so there were 2 miscalls behind the raiser (and the way OP wrote it I also thought the guy who threw the yellows was the raiser but now I see it was MP), right? So according to Bay 101 rules shouldn't the flop remain the same and SB and BB have to call the raise? Why would the flop be removed?

[J.A.Sucker]

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The action should stand. The floor screwed up an obvious one. The house rule at Bay 101 is the action stands if there's two actions behind you. In this case, the guy behidn the maniac (NG) called, the blinds acted, and the flop came out. There was then several actions after the flop.

The SB owes the money and the maniac guy has a right to be pissed. I suspect I know who the floor was and the maniac, too.

I hope you enjoyed your conversation with haakee.

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Action stands, so there were 2 miscalls behind the raiser (and the way OP wrote it I also thought the guy who threw the yellows was the raiser but now I see it was MP), right? So according to Bay 101 rules shouldn't the flop remain the same and SB and BB have to call the raise? Why would the flop be removed?

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It shouldn't. Everything should play out and the players make up what they owe. It's a non-decision, really. Like I said, the floor was terrible on this one.

[pig4bill]

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I actually think the floor there tends to be better than anywhere else. The dealers, too. However, they have lost one of their best floormen recently and they have hired lots of green dealers who make too many mistakes. By and large, it's still a hell of a lot better than LC's or anywhere else. It's just not as good as it used to be.


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Some of the floor on the low limit side have "left" as well, going back to dealing because it pays better.

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There is no raise. If multple people (blinds, dealer, and OP) proceed as if there was no raise the raiser needs to point out he raised.

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Somebody already called the raise and then I think the button folded. This is a slam dunk at Bay 101. Sorry, you are wrong on this one Randy. SB is shooting an angle here and the BB now has more information about the maniac's hand, which he is using now.

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I misread the OP. I read it as the person putting in the yellow chips was the raiser.

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So you agree with me, right?

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Yes, the raise was acted on (by a call) the other players that indicated there were calling owe the additional money; they do no have the option to fold their hand (well they can, but they still owe the money) and the flop does not come back. I am in the middle of the move so if you said something other than that let me know.

[pig4bill]

They owe anyway even if they fold? If a player misses a raise and throws in the money for a call, then sees that it's a raise, is allowed to fold without putting the extra in. Seems like the same situation.

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They owe anyway even if they fold? If a player misses a raise and throws in the money for a call, then sees that it's a raise, is allowed to fold without putting the extra in. Seems like the same situation.

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This business of leaving part of the money in is basically always wrong and made as a compromise decision. If someone indicates they are calling they owe the whole amount, if they do not indicate they are calling they are entitled to remove the entire amount. They put in chips and there was action behind that is a call.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

The first move is to kick the dealer in the nuts. All bets should be left out and dead $ pulled in, with the kive bets being verified as they are being dragged in. Missing two players who each failed to put four chips is ridiculous.

Next the floor gets a kitn for being such an idiot. If you're going to produce a new flop, obviously you reshuffle the old flop cards, not set them aside. Holy cow this idiot is supervising 40-80 poker is going downhill fast.

Al

[SyrialKilla]

Whatever the raise originally was, the fact that the dealer had time to pull all bets into the pot and burn and flop is odd. If I were to raise on a poker game I know I want people calling my raise to see the flop or folding. A check from the big blind should have told the raiser something. Either way, with two checks a bet and a call on the flop, signifigant action has transpired. Signifigant action is the All Mighty when it comes to any poker, any style, any limit. That's two players acting with money *bet call or raise* or three without *check fold*. Since their was signifigant action the flop should have stayed and the raiser should have been returned the amount he raised.

SO that's what I would have called..flop stays, raise amount is returned to the raiser..play on