thin

[elindauer]

[ QUOTE ]
a loose passive player open limps

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I bet for value...

[/ QUOTE ]

These two sentences go together like peas and carrots. I frankly don't think it's that thin. 22 might be thin.

He's calling down with a lot weak aces here.

good luck.
Eric

[BadBigBabar]

eric - you think live 10/20 players are calling down with weak aces ui here?

[BadBigBabar]

online i can see a bet definitely, btw

[jesse8888]

Again, I agree with the big green elephant. I don't play above micro stakes online, but in my 6/12 game I just don't see anyone ever calling here with Ace high. I think Kit's 10/20 is pretty comparable, and I just don't see him getting paid off enough to compensate for the times he gets shown 66 through TT.

[habsfanca11]

Player dependent - yes ... but in my 10/20 game the loose passive are open limping with K,Jo; Q,Jo; A,10o (50% of the time); any pocket pair below 10s. Against that range you don't have any value in the bet. You raised, they put you on A,K but they're deperately hoping that you're getting frisky with A,Q and they've talked themselves into being showdown committed. I think you get shown a better hand here easily 75%+ of the time. In my game against the majority of the loose passive players the turn bet is the last I put in the pot unless and Ace comes on the river. The ace buys you fold equity, otherwise this is getting shown down and you are behind.

[elindauer]

[ QUOTE ]
online i can see a bet definitely, btw

[/ QUOTE ]

I only play online, and that is the context from which I am responding. If you tell me this guy won't call with ace high, then of course you should check behind.

thanks,
eric


PS. If your opponent won't call down ace high, he is probably exploitably tight. Bet this river, show your cards, and run him over!

[One Outer]

If the loose passive players range was as restricted they wouldn't be loose passive. Then they would be weak tight. Does not apply, methinks.

[elindauer]

[ QUOTE ]
Again, I agree with the big green elephant. I don't play above micro stakes online, but in my 6/12 game I just don't see anyone ever calling here with Ace high. I think Kit's 10/20 is pretty comparable, and I just don't see him getting paid off enough to compensate for the times he gets shown 66 through TT.

[/ QUOTE ]

Do you run the table over then? Players who only show down pairs should get crushed by an aggressive style. I hope you are attacking like a madman in blind steal situations.

-eric

[BadBigBabar]

eric - in a 10/20 online game i'd bet this a lot, as you say, expecting to get called by worse hands a fair bit.

in my live experience incl. 10/20, ace high doesn't call here ever, but something like 88 does.

obviously the games are lightyears apart, however.

[ProfessorBen]

I'm value betting down to 95-52 exactly here.