Its not for value its not a bluff and its not a value bluff.

Eagles · #1 10-01-2007, 08:27 PM

Interesting thought I had about a play to make in mtts. I'm not sure if its good but its just something to think about.
We are both about 80k deep blinds are 1.5k/3k/250
(I might have the level wrong but something like that)

I had a hand in the WCOOP ME UTG+1 raises to 8k 8 handed I call with 99 UTG+2 everyone else folds.

The flop is KKx rainbow.
He bets 12k into (22k) I call.

The turn is a blank he checks.

Now even though its not for value and its not a bluff. Can I shove here? I have like pot left. Its a spot where there's no real purpose to the bet but maybe I can shove just because I have the best hand very often and don't want to give him a free card considering how big the pot is already

If I am shoving the turn would shoving the flop over his cbet be better? Should I just call flop check turn check river?

Pudge714 · #2 10-01-2007, 08:34 PM

FWIW he mighttttttt fold TT-QQ.
Shoving turn is very different from shoving flop because turn check give you a lot of info.

Kala1928 · #3 10-01-2007, 08:35 PM

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If I am shoving the turn would shoving the flop over his cbet be better?

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No. You have now gained more information because he checked the turn.

Sometimes he hit the X on the flop and will call a small turn valuebet by us after checking. Tho he cant really have anything with 7 or so in it that he raises UTG. (Forgot its lol donkament full ring holdem)

Purpose of shoving the turn is to fold out TT/JJ which is so thin that its a lot better to just check it down. Folding the flop isnt criminal either. This is a lot harder board to valuecall flop-bluff turn than Axx or any non-paired board. If you shove turn you will still get occasionally looked up by AA/QQ/JJ. And 99 isnt in a great shape against standard UTG+1 open range without spiking a set.