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Old 04-24-2007, 02:08 PM
HiBaCHi HiBaCHi is offline
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Default AKs 4 bet pre oop gets cold called

villain is 21/15 TAG. Haven't played w/ him much but haven't seen anything outta line.

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Button ($72.75)
Hero ($118)
BB ($100)
UTG ($141.10)
MP ($248.60)
CO ($73.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $32.5</font>, BB calls $20.50.

Flop: ($65) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ????
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:14 PM
Kilillan Kilillan is offline
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check/fold bro, you're done
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: AKs 4 bet pre oop gets cold called

This a hard spot. You find people that never believe a SB raise, like your in a tournament and trying to steal his BB. However, you say you haven't seen anything out of line from him.

What is your table image? Have you consistantly raised his BB?

based on the answers to the above questions. I think you could shove, or check/fold.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:26 PM
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Default Re: AKs 4 bet pre oop gets cold called

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This a hard spot. You find people that never believe a SB raise, like your in a tournament and trying to steal his BB. However, you say you haven't seen anything out of line from him.

What is your table image? Have you consistantly raised his BB?

based on the answers to the above questions. I think you could shove, or check/fold.

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i'm probably playing something like 23/19/4. been raising his bb lots cuz even though he's TAG he's not all that good.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:30 PM
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check/fold bro, you're done

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i'll never understand why everyone on 2+2 is in love with 4 betting with AK
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: AKs 4 bet pre oop gets cold called

I say he has a pp and you missed. check/fold it down unless A or K comes.. then re-eval.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:40 PM
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This a hard spot. You find people that never believe a SB raise, like your in a tournament and trying to steal his BB. However, you say you haven't seen anything out of line from him.

What is your table image? Have you consistantly raised his BB?

based on the answers to the above questions. I think you could shove, or check/fold.

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i'm probably playing something like 23/19/4. been raising his bb lots cuz even though he's TAG he's not all that good.

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If you have been raising his BB alot, then I believe that opens up his range alot. Therefore I would shove... You may be able get QQ and below to fold... if not you got outs. If he has KK or AA.. you could hit your back door flush, but you will most likely lose.

I shove.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:42 PM
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I say he has a pp and you missed. check/fold it down unless A or K comes.. then re-eval.

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IMO, this is weak. You four bet preflop, AK is the only hand he can put you on that completely misses this flop.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:46 PM
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I say he has a pp and you missed. check/fold it down unless A or K comes.. then re-eval.

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IMO, this is weak. You four bet preflop, AK is the only hand he can put you on that completely misses this flop.

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your advice is terrible
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:50 PM
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I say he has a pp and you missed. check/fold it down unless A or K comes.. then re-eval.

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IMO, this is weak. You four bet preflop, AK is the only hand he can put you on that completely misses this flop.

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your advice is terrible

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Very possible, can you elaborate?

Flip this hand around and give yourself JJ or QQ in BB. On the flop you face a shove. What advice would you give that person?... Call? Highly doubt it.

Please explain what makes a shove horrible here?
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