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#1
06-24-2007, 04:45 PM
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5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
PokerStars Game #10599998037: 5 Card Draw Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/06/24 - 16:30:34 (ET)
Table 'Clementina II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: Top Ute ($37 in chips) Seat 2: herley ($30.50 in chips) Seat 3: Hero ($44.50 in chips) Seat 4: DirtPimp ($29.75 in chips) Seat 5: pleather ($34.50 in chips) Seat 6: SlowHandAce ($51.25 in chips) Hero: posts small blind $0.50 DirtPimp: posts big blind $1 *** DEALING HANDS *** Dealt to Hero [Kd Qs Qc 2s 2h] pleather: raises $1 to $2 SlowHandAce: folds Top Ute: folds herley: folds Hero: raises $1 to $3 DirtPimp: folds pleather: calls $1 Hero: discards 1 card [Kd] Dealt to Hero [Qs Qc 2s 2h] [2c] pleather: discards 1 card Hero: bets $2 pleather: raises $2 to $4 Hero: calls $2 Is this call a dumb call? Can I really beat anything here? 
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#2
06-24-2007, 04:48 PM
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Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
Wow I must really suck if this call is wrong cause I would raise here all day every day unless I knew villain was some kind of super-ultra-nit.
EDIT: Oops, I misread the hand. Thought it was queens up, not deuces. I call. Badugi or TT probably have a thing or two to say tho.
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#3
06-24-2007, 05:09 PM
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Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
I suck, but I'd put villain on trips pre-draw taking 1 to disguise his hand. You improved and he probably bricked. Re-raise.
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#4
06-24-2007, 05:29 PM
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Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
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I suck, but I'd put villain on trips pre-draw taking 1 to disguise his hand. You improved and he probably bricked. Re-raise. [/ QUOTE ] And wich trips do you think he calls the 3-bet with Pre-draw and now re-raises (and call the 3-bet) post draw? Why 3 bet? I don't think anything weaker calls.
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#5
06-24-2007, 05:32 PM
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Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
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[ QUOTE ] I suck, but I'd put villain on trips pre-draw taking 1 to disguise his hand. You improved and he probably bricked. Re-raise. [/ QUOTE ] And wich trips do you think he calls the 3-bet with Pre-draw and now re-raises (and call the 3-bet) post draw? Why 3 bet? I don't think anything weaker calls. [/ QUOTE ] Valid point. Unless he really falls in love with 2 big pair and an ace or something. I think your reasoning here is good. So what happened? I wanna knooooow [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#6
06-24-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
Have you been aggro from the blinds? Not sure about the range for trips.
Edit: I also have no idea what to do if he fourbets post-draw.
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#7
06-24-2007, 06:03 PM
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Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I suck, but I'd put villain on trips pre-draw taking 1 to disguise his hand. You improved and he probably bricked. Re-raise. [/ QUOTE ] And wich trips do you think he calls the 3-bet with Pre-draw and now re-raises (and call the 3-bet) post draw? Why 3 bet? I don't think anything weaker calls. [/ QUOTE ] Valid point. Unless he really falls in love with 2 big pair and an ace or something. I think your reasoning here is good. So what happened? I wanna knooooow [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I also like the way I think [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Here is the hand outcome: Hero: calls $2 *** SHOW DOWN *** pleather: shows [Ad 9s Ac 9h As] (a full house, Aces full of Nines) Hero: mucks hand pleather collected $14.50 from pot
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#8
06-24-2007, 05:14 PM
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Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
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Badugi or TT probably have a thing or two to say tho. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe someone who actually plays high draw, too. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I don't think you have a threebet here, but you definitely have a call. Might be a made flush draw, might be trips.
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#9
06-25-2007, 12:06 AM
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Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
You have a bare call here (don't you have any notes?) since
there is a small chance this player could have a completed draw or even a hand like AAA. You obviously can't reraise because you need to be about a 2 to 1 favorite here, but the most frequent hand your opponent will show you is a boat. On the other hand, your odds actually may not justify a call because of the relative infrequency this player ("Pleather") will have a completed draw or AAA. Even if you have pot odds of 4/29, I don't think this specific player will have a completed flush or straight unless he happened to start with a straight flush draw or decided to break a pair of kings so you are hoping that he shows you AAA. There aren't many straight flush draws and even fewer king-high flush draws with a pair of kings (since you even tossed one) and if there were no chance this player could even have AAA (perhaps you know this player would always cap it with AAA instead of sometimes calling), a fold does make sense because then Pleather would be at worst, an 8-1 favorite to show you a boat or better; still, you couldn't lose too much in the long run if you made a call even in this case and any time you fold in a spot like this (with a big pot) you have to be almost certain you're beat. If you know that Pleather sometimes limps in with a straight flush draw and never would fail to 4-bet with AAA predraw, then you seriously have to consider folding! Generally, you can only think of folding a full house in PL or NL.
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