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Old 11-30-2007, 11:20 AM
vizer02 vizer02 is offline
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Default NL100 - Is This Standard?

SB is 17/6/2 over 1,000 hands. UTG+1 is 35/4/0.75 over 166 hands. I have no reads on the players.

Flop: I chose not to c-bet the flop because I didn't want to get blown off my monster draw. However, I feel there is a strong case for c-betting the flop. I probably c-bet this flop about 30% of the time when there is more than one player in the hand. What would you do?

Turn: Because I didn't c-bet the flop, I now have no idea where my hand stands, but because of the size of the pot I thought a push was the only viable option. It's hard to put either villain on a flush, and I have the Ah so I have the redraw anyway. A pot sized raise is about the size of a push, so is this standard?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com Hand History Converter

MP1: $39.55
MP2: $124.35
CO: $43.65
Hero (BTN): $223.15
SB: $59.40
BB: $137.65
UTG: $69.70
UTG+1: $101.65

Pre-Flop: Ah Qc dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $4.50, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $4

Flop: ($16) Kh 7h Th (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($16) Js (3 Players)
SB bets $15, UTG+1 calls $15, Hero raises to $218.15
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:35 AM
PLAYOFFS PLAYOFFS is offline
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Default Re: NL100 - Is This Standard?

I don't think you can get called by anything but a flush from UTG+1. I think popping it to 50 would be better because Ah could be dragged along with the inside draw+fdraw.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: NL100 - Is This Standard?

Um we have the Ah here....?

Call this turn, how skewed is the range that calls you between hands that have you beat : hands that don't

You have a strong hand and a stronger draw, but you could easily be behind. IMO, you're not getting value out of many hands less than your broadway, if any.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:54 AM
AlexB182 AlexB182 is offline
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Default Re: NL100 - Is This Standard?

I'd CB this flop, as played I don't know if pushing here on the turn is really good. Thing is: though you could be easily good here, the only hands that call your shove are the ones that have you beat. On the other hand: if you just call and a fourth heart comes off, you might not get too much action if there's not say the Q high flush out there.
Tough spot.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - Is This Standard?

I think pushing the turn is OK. Both Villains are pretty short. I think you get called by 2 pair hands (KT, KJ) and are unlikely to be up against a made flush. If you are up against a flush you have outs.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:25 PM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: NL100 - Is This Standard?

By default, you should probably c-b the flop, and fold if you run into a pot-sized c/r.

Checking to take a free card isn't terrible, however. But once you check the flop, you should call the turn. You have 9 heart outs, 3 straight outs, and 3 ace outs. All the outs might not be good, but you have great position. So, if all the outs are good, you'll catch one about 30% of the time and you are getting 3:1 odds to make the call. So, just take the 3:1 pot odds and call.

Overbetting the turn when anybody with a flush would have gone for a c/r on the flop is spew. You win a little when you win, and you stack off too much when one of the guys in front of you, espeically SB, wakes up with a flopped flush.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:36 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - Is This Standard?

[ QUOTE ]
You have 9 heart outs, 3 straight outs, and 3 ace outs.

[/ QUOTE ]On the turn he has 0 straight outs and 0 ace outs . . .
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:00 PM
ship_it_trebek ship_it_trebek is offline
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Default Re: NL100 - Is This Standard?

I probably c-bet this most of the time in position even against 2 opponents. I think the shove is fine.
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