Stars 25-50 Shortstackers - Page 15

hasugopher · #**141** 02-25-2007, 09:21 PM

Daut,

Nice job on that email. One thing I want to point out though is this:

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Firstly, having a large amount of shortstacks significantly tightens up the games because whenever you have a shortstack behind you, you have to worry about him going all in, so opening raise ranges become much tighter, which result in much more boring and uneventful games.

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I don't think that should be included in the email. This, in isolation, is a GREAT thing for the site, although bad for most players. Tight, boring, uneventful games = more hands, more rake.

If we were going to include it, there should be a reason (eg. multitabling regulars sitting out, or moving to a different site, etc.)

hasugopher · #**142** 02-25-2007, 09:22 PM

Also, I would be happy to send that email to stars support.

- Lukieplaya

demon102 · #**143** 02-25-2007, 09:30 PM

I play low stakes nl games and am annoyed at shortstackers too. I am sure that there would be plenty of people that play lower stakes feel the same way. If you got people from all stakes sending an e-mail to up the min buy to 40 BBs it will more likely happen.

Prime Time · #**144** 02-25-2007, 09:47 PM

lol

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 ($11623)
MP1 ($5022)
MP2 ($3216)
CO ($4316)
Button ($4925)
SB ($5000)
Hero ($1206)
UTG ($5247)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $200, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1206, MP1 calls $1006.

Flop: ($2437) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: ($2437) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($2437) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $2437

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc Kh (two pair, kings and queens).
MP1 has Qc Ad (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: MP1 wins $2437. 

and

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 ($3015)
MP3 ($925)
CO ($4925)
Button ($4138)
SB ($4950)
BB ($15579)
Hero ($1075)
UTG+1 ($6523)
MP1 ($5000)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $150, 5 folds, Button raises to $450, 1 fold, BB raises to $15579, Hero calls $925 (All-In), Button folds.

Flop: ($17129) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($17129) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($17129) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $17129

Results in white below: 
BB has Kh Ad (one pair, fours).
Hero has Kc Ks (two pair, kings and fours).
Outcome: BB wins $14504. Hero wins $2625.

Prime Time · #**145** 02-25-2007, 09:53 PM

wheres the rest of that pot?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 ($850)
CO ($4032)
Button ($4925)
SB ($14504)
Hero ($2547)
UTG ($11445)
MP1 ($5000)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, CO raises to $200, 2 folds, Hero calls $150.

Flop: ($425) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($425) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $300, Hero raises to $800, CO calls $500.

River: ($2025) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: $2025

Results in white below: 
CO has Qc Qs (one pair, queens).
Hero has Th Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $2025.

NajdorfDefense · #**146** 02-25-2007, 10:18 PM

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I think the sense of entitlement of some of the people that have posted in this thread is almost surreal, this is online poker, people use software and tools beyond most players imaginations to create an uneven playing field...[ QUOTE ]

Phresh · #**147** 02-26-2007, 02:58 AM

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wheres the rest of that pot?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 ($850)
CO ($4032)
Button ($4925)
SB ($14504)
Hero ($2547)
UTG ($11445)
MP1 ($5000)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, CO raises to $200, 2 folds, Hero calls $150.

Flop: ($425) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($425) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $300, Hero raises to $800, CO calls $500.

River: ($2025) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: $2025

Results in white below: 
CO has Qc Qs (one pair, queens).
Hero has Th Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $2025. 

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Raise more on turn and bet riva.

mattatdi · #**148** 02-26-2007, 11:46 AM

Why do you buy in max if apparently ratholing is advantageous? Last I checked, poker is all about the money. Its not about just playing a friendly card game...

Oh thats right, because buying in max is optimal for your style of play. Well guess what, ratholing is optimal for their styles of play.

Adjust when needed? Thats what I heard all the greats do.

nath · #**149** 02-26-2007, 12:01 PM

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wheres the rest of that pot?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 ($850)
CO ($4032)
Button ($4925)
SB ($14504)
Hero ($2547)
UTG ($11445)
MP1 ($5000)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, CO raises to $200, 2 folds, Hero calls $150.

Flop: ($425) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($425) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $300, Hero raises to $800, CO calls $500.

River: ($2025) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: $2025

Results in white below: 
CO has Qc Qs (one pair, queens).
Hero has Th Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $2025. 

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Raise more on turn and bet riva.

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I see why he short stacks

bkholdem · #**150** 02-26-2007, 12:44 PM

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Why do you buy in max if apparently ratholing is advantageous? Last I checked, poker is all about the money. Its not about just playing a friendly card game...

Oh thats right, because buying in max is optimal for your style of play. Well guess what, ratholing is optimal for their styles of play.

Adjust when needed? Thats what I heard all the greats do.

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Evidently using huds and poker tracker and poker stove and posting on 2p2 and chatting on aim with friends all in efforts to win money at poker are not enough. He needs to whine about the current system because there are a couple irritating short stacks at his table. boo friggin hoo.