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Old 09-12-2007, 11:03 PM
Poker monkey Poker monkey is offline
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Default How to play 2nd nut flush?

Fold flop?

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $25.10
UTG+1: $41.75
CO: $11.75
Button: $9.70
Hero: $33.15
BB: $9.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $0.75</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $2.85</font>, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($11.65, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $7</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($25.65, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $12</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $12 returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: $25.65
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:26 PM
wazz wazz is offline
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Default Re: How to play 2nd nut flush?

Tough spot, especially with the redraw. I call the turn and probably (given stack sizes) call any bet on the river here if it doesn't pair, though that may be a spew.

Folding flop would be very weak - you'll be laying down the best hand the vast majority of the time. If you're going to fold, the turn is the right place to do it, but you've got a good price here and an underrepresented hand. The lack of position doesn't help. Any reads?
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: How to play 2nd nut flush?

folding the flop is horrible. i'd call turn and revaluate river.
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:25 AM
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Default Re: How to play 2nd nut flush?

If I call the turn, you realize I will have $11 behind and the pot will be $50?

What do you mean by re-evaluating the river - check-folding getting 6:1?

Wazz - I don't think the straight flush redraw really makes a lot of difference since it's a 1-outer.
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:25 AM
alavet alavet is offline
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Default Re: How to play 2nd nut flush?

sometimes i call and think river

sometimes i miniraise turn and watching his face
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:56 AM
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Default Re: How to play 2nd nut flush?

if you call turn you see the hand through. your hand is underrepped and J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] prolly thinks he is good here. but i don't really like a calldown, though.

what do you guys think about showing strenght on the flop? like bet pot or check-raise to ~$15 and give up to further aggression? this way we have a better idea were we are with our hand.
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Old 09-13-2007, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: How to play 2nd nut flush?

Without reads shove turn. His range is pretty big.
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Old 09-13-2007, 04:16 AM
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Default Re: How to play 2nd nut flush?

UTG flop bet really looks like a set. Since you called his pot bet on the flop, he Knows you've at least a flush ( whatever if it's a small one or not)

On the turn he bet only 1/2 pot, for me that's doesn't looks like a value bet but more like a blocking bet who wants to protect his set for drawing a river full house.

You can't call anymore here since you have 11$ left, it's a Shove or fold. I probably shove and pray..
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:28 AM
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Default Re: How to play 2nd nut flush?

You really think a set would bet into 3 players on this board? Then bet again when he could take free card on the turn?

To me, half pot on the turn looks exactly like a value bet. In his position with the nut flush I would certainly be betting around half pot to try to get calls from worse flushes.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:35 AM
JanelleBB7 JanelleBB7 is offline
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Default Re: How to play 2nd nut flush?

What if instead of calling the flop you raise it and see if he re-raises you or just calls. That's what I would think of doing in order to try and see whether he has nut flush. Is this wrong? If he re-raises me I would fold.
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