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09-16-2007, 05:50 PM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
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[ QUOTE ] Way to make him pay: Get into a game with him and 3-4 of your friends (use teamspeak). Fold until one of you guys has a good hand (any ace will do the job). Make a bet, cheater will call, than one of your friends miniraises, than original better miniraises again, cheater will either call and than you repeat the step until you go all-in (no way he can outplay you on the flop, and since you most likely hold the best hand since he plays any cards...) and if he folds you took some of him money (the friend will fold, after the session you'll simply both share the profit) [/ QUOTE ] 1 guy with a view of the tables hole cards would demolish the other 5 even if they worked together [/ QUOTE ] Point is that he calls everything because he knows your cards and figures he can outplay you on the flop. So this means that if you wait for a good hand preflop (A7 for example, that is better than avarage) and than you should try to get as much money from him as possible, than finaly go all-in so he can either call with a weaker hand (than he has a -EV and he cant use his card looking skills anymore) or he need to fold (in which all money from those miniraises go to you). you simply dont want to see a flop with him. |
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#64
09-16-2007, 05:52 PM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Way to make him pay: Get into a game with him and 3-4 of your friends (use teamspeak). Fold until one of you guys has a good hand (any ace will do the job). Make a bet, cheater will call, than one of your friends miniraises, than original better miniraises again, cheater will either call and than you repeat the step until you go all-in (no way he can outplay you on the flop, and since you most likely hold the best hand since he plays any cards...) and if he folds you took some of him money (the friend will fold, after the session you'll simply both share the profit) [/ QUOTE ] 1 guy with a view of the tables hole cards would demolish the other 5 even if they worked together [/ QUOTE ] Point is that he calls everything because he knows your cards and figures he can outplay you on the flop. So this means that if you wait for a good hand (A7 for example, that is better than avarage) you should try to get as much money from him as possible, than finaly go all-in so he can either call with a weaker hand (than he has a -EV) or he need to fold (in which all money from those miniraises go to you). you simply dont want to see a flop with him. [/ QUOTE ] Are you seriously trying to give tips on beating somebody who can see your hole cards? Dude, he won't be playing anymore, so you wasted a few sentences. |
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#65
09-16-2007, 06:01 PM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
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[ QUOTE ] No, its GRAYCAT with an A [/ QUOTE ] No, theres definitely an E in SEIF [/ QUOTE ] *golf clap* |
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#66
09-16-2007, 06:02 PM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
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anyway i still think that putting a trojaned update on a webserver would be next to impossible. if absolute rewrites the entire exe/dll during an update then the backdoor is gone. if absolute just patches the exe/dll then a patch is going to break at some point when things aren't how they should be. [/ QUOTE ] He doesn't need to modify AP client's source code. He just appends a small .exe rootkit which is then separated when installing. It doesn't matter whether AP client is infected or not with next upgrades since rootkit is already installed from previous upgrade. |
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#67
09-16-2007, 06:03 PM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
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[ QUOTE ] anyway i still think that putting a trojaned update on a webserver would be next to impossible. if absolute rewrites the entire exe/dll during an update then the backdoor is gone. if absolute just patches the exe/dll then a patch is going to break at some point when things aren't how they should be. [/ QUOTE ] He doesn't need to modify AP client's source code. He just appends a small .exe rootkit which is then separated when installing. It doesn't matter whether AP client is infected or not with next upgrades since rootkit is already installed from previous upgrade. [/ QUOTE ] ok AIG, you know too much. What's the deal? |
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#68
09-16-2007, 06:07 PM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Way to make him pay: Get into a game with him and 3-4 of your friends (use teamspeak). Fold until one of you guys has a good hand (any ace will do the job). Make a bet, cheater will call, than one of your friends miniraises, than original better miniraises again, cheater will either call and than you repeat the step until you go all-in (no way he can outplay you on the flop, and since you most likely hold the best hand since he plays any cards...) and if he folds you took some of him money (the friend will fold, after the session you'll simply both share the profit) [/ QUOTE ] 1 guy with a view of the tables hole cards would demolish the other 5 even if they worked together [/ QUOTE ] Point is that he calls everything because he knows your cards and figures he can outplay you on the flop. So this means that if you wait for a good hand preflop (A7 for example, that is better than avarage) and than you should try to get as much money from him as possible, than finaly go all-in so he can either call with a weaker hand (than he has a -EV and he cant use his card looking skills anymore) or he need to fold (in which all money from those miniraises go to you). you simply dont want to see a flop with him. [/ QUOTE ] He would tear the game apart just like normal. He would soon figure what was going on I guarantee that every time the money went in pre the poor guy left with be a dog every time with plenty of extra dead money from the other guys who folded but put in earlier raises. Your senario lets him pick up all the hands where nobody has anything and when they do but he has slightly better he gets to play a 300BB pot with great equity. Dont know why I am even discussing this crap. |
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#69
09-16-2007, 06:07 PM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
Could this be related to the hacking of the pokertracker website?
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#70
09-16-2007, 06:08 PM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
I do think some people really seem to overstimate how much this will impact online poker. I'm not sure how much general exposure this will end up getting, but I think the fish will mostly see it as another cheater getting caught, which has happened before and will happen again. Certainly it depends on *how* this comes out and comes across to the public, but hopefully the guy will be made an example of and the only long-term effect ends up being increased security on the bigger sites. Sure, for some droolers this will validate in their small brains that their losses were due to something like this all along, but I think in the end this getting outed will be for the better.
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