4-way 3b pot with QQ, oy - Page 3

thac · #21 10-01-2007, 11:23 AM

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I'm not sure this helps, but here it is:

Board: 9h 5h 2h

Wins Ties Equity
15.87% 0.79% 16.66% ( QdQc )
22.26% 0.29% 22.55% ( 22-99 )
22.26% 0.29% 22.55% ( 22-99 )
37.45% 0.79% 38.24% ( 99-AA )

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That's a REALLY tight range

mbman · #22 10-01-2007, 11:24 AM

those ranges seem way to tight for me, probably a few unpaired hands in villains' ranges as well...

carrotsnake · #23 10-01-2007, 11:52 AM

umm, I check and see who bets, how much, and with what tempo. I'd really really like to see this flop checked through though. Not a fan at all of shoving now

Noam Chomsky · #24 10-01-2007, 12:16 PM

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I'm not sure this helps, but here it is:

Board: 9h 5h 2h

Wins Ties Equity
15.87% 0.79% 16.66% ( QdQc )
22.26% 0.29% 22.55% ( 22-99 )
22.26% 0.29% 22.55% ( 22-99 )
37.45% 0.79% 38.24% ( 99-AA )

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no offense but this range is awfully constructed and completely unrealistic.

That said, this seems like the most standard 'check and reevaluate' ever. Though, without having a read on any single player at this entire table?? I guess the old 'shove and hope for the best' isn't that bad.

Casper05 · #25 10-01-2007, 12:41 PM

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umm, I check and see who bets, how much, and with what tempo. I'd really really like to see this flop checked through though. Not a fan at all of shoving now

[/ QUOTE ]totally agree..I think shoving is the worst of our options. Just because something is +EV doesnt mean it is the most EV.

Suigin406 · #26 10-01-2007, 03:56 PM

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id shove now, embrace the varaince.

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FGators · #27 10-01-2007, 04:05 PM

I love the whole "shove now and embrace the variance" like the people that voted for that option know that they are running into a hand that has them crushed and are just willing to go that route because they have an overpair.

tufat23 · #28 10-01-2007, 04:11 PM

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I love the whole "shove now and embrace the variance" like the people that voted for that option know that they are running into a hand that has them crushed and are just willing to go that route because they have an overpair.

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im still doing the all in thing

duckyfuzz · #29 10-01-2007, 04:12 PM

I'm checking here. I'll see what happens around the table but if one person bets and everyone else folds I'm generally not folding. If someone bets and someone else calls I generally am folding.

Proofrock · #30 10-01-2007, 04:17 PM

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I love the whole "shove now and embrace the variance" like the people that voted for that option know that they are running into a hand that has them crushed and are just willing to go that route because they have an overpair.

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Well, we have roughly a PSB left. There's only shove or check. We have an overpair and the board is low and drawy, so we will either taken the pot down with a bet (which is great) or we're SA/WB when called. Getting almost 2 to 1 if called, it seems like a pretty easy shove, despite being high variance. It's all really tied to preflop -- when you have overpair on the flop with a PSB left after 3betting preflop, you pretty much can't go wrong shoving the flop.