The final truth about down swings. - Page 10

sandsmarc · #1 11-18-2006, 10:19 PM

All you are talking about is cards. I'm talking about reads and bluffs. If your reads are good, your bluffs will work. Not always but more than enough. If they are bad, you will find yourself getting called.

Good players don't make many bad reads and don't have long downswings.

_TKO_ · #2 11-18-2006, 11:05 PM

If you play a low-variance style, you will have fewer downswings. You will also win less.

holyfield5 · #3 11-19-2006, 02:40 PM

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I seriously do not believe in downswings. At least, not in no-limit hold'em. You don't need the best cards to win if you know how to play. You can take many pots down with 3-2 if your timing and reads are expert.

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overaggro

yes its true, you can overbet constantly and steal pots but THAT is not winning strategy and you wont be a long run winner and you will have even worse variance. deciding to play 3-2 preflop KNOWING the only way to win is to ferociously pursue getting opponent to fold has nothing to do with reads, its just hoping he doesnt have the nuts or close....but it wont work for very long. this wont get you out of a downswing.

MoreGentilythanU · #4 11-19-2006, 02:41 PM

I'm on downswing all in with ak<33
all in with q9<q6 on q96 board.

I HATE LOSING MYEYEYMYEYAUAYAYDFLK NO WOO NO WWOT NO WOOT

sandsmarc · #5 11-19-2006, 05:24 PM

You misunderstand. I'm not advocating playing bad cards and pushing them late in the hand. I'm talking about, for instance, pushing someone off second pair with unimproved overcards after they just had a beat. They are psychologically ready to be folded out of the hand. In other words, playing your normal decent cards but playing them expertly for value even when they are unimproved. Just one minor example of play that overcomes "bad cards". There are thousands of situations like this where good players overcome being card dead. Again, much more effective in NL-PL.

bilyin · #6 11-21-2006, 02:14 PM

I agree with you except I do think taking a break to clear the mind is a good thing.

xGREGORx · #7 11-21-2006, 02:25 PM

This might be the single best thread I've read on 2+2. Nice job deacsoft. In the middle of a tilty downswing right now and came to the psychology forum for the first time and here's this gem near the top of the list... perhaps a positive omen that I will turn the corner and play like I should.