$27s tough spot with JJ

[imsobroke]

I hate these spots. I don't know villain.

Poker Stars, $25 + $2 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG+2: 1,530
MP1: 1,395
MP2: 1,425
CO: 1,425
BTN: 2,295
SB: 910
Hero (BB): 1,385
UTG: 1,470
UTG+1: 1,665

Pre-Flop: (75) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, UTG+2 calls 50, MP1 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to 200</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls 150, UTG+2 calls 150

Flop: (625) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets 350</font>, UTG+2 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to 750</font>, Hero folds

Results: 1,325 Pot
MP2 mucked and WON 1,325 (+775 NET)

[vers]

vs an unknown I think we can shove pf, as played I don't think I can get away here, even though we're not ahead of much.

[Scotty_12]

I dont think you can put 350 of your stack in (or call 200 pf) with the intention of folding on an undercard rainbow relatively unconnected flop vs the PFR. As played I would suggest bet/3bet all in, but CRAI is fine on the flop too because your CRAI would be around potsize.

About folding the flop: Maybe if the action went bet, raise, flat or something, even still i probably get it in while febreezing the barf on my carpet.

[imsobroke]

yeah had he just shoved the flop i probably call. the stupid raise after the flop was yelling kk or aa. i should have just gone all-in.

[blowbubbles]

If you read him to have you beat post flop, wouldn't the same be the case preflop? Because calling with jacks to hit a set cant be +EV? So I guess you either have to fold preflop or call his push now.

[MATT238]

Versus unknown I'm raising this pre-flop and looking to get it all-in. On the flop, I'm almost never folding. Lead out isn't a bad play, but I prefer a CRAI. AK+AQ will almost always fold to a CRAI on this flop, but as played they have to call your shove.

[Scotty_12]

If you guys are both deep thancalling with JJ to hit a set is ok, as played calling 200 out of 1300 isnt something I would advocate when we are playing it postflop like this.

[memento_mori]

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vs an unknown I think we can shove pf, as played I don't think I can get away here, even though we're not ahead of much.

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might just be me who is a big nit, but shoving I would rather fold than shove the hands against an unknown, might be a leak of mine. What range do you put him on to justify a shove here?

[vers]

It's hard to say what range an unknown opens, that's why stats are so important. I think most unknowns are opening like 88+, high aces, broadway cards at this level. I could be off a bit and obviously it's hard to tell, but at a $27 I wouldn't give an unknown credit for opening a range that makes JJ a bad shove.