facing 4bets with QQ/KK - 3 hands from today

schwza · #1 10-29-2007, 07:54 PM

Poker Stars, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $1,103.65
CO: $1,141.65
BTN: $111
SB: $649
Hero (BB): $802.25

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $24, 3 folds, Hero raises to $84, UTG raises to $188, Hero calls $104

Flop: ($379) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $180, Hero calls $180

Turn: ($739) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $735.65 and is All-In, Hero calls $434.25 and is All-In

villain is 26/22, seems ok but hasn't been playing back at me excessively.

hand 2:

Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $420
UTG: $1,109
MP: $1,272
Hero (CO): $1,050
BTN: $1,826
SB: $1,484.90

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG raises to $30, MP folds, Hero raises to $90, 3 folds, UTG raises to $290, Hero calls $200

Flop: ($595) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($595) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($595) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

villain is 16/12. he plays a lot and is ok, but on the passive/nitty side.

hand 3:

Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $1,182
MP: $1,032
CO: $1,419
BTN: $1,015
SB: $1,037
Hero (BB): $1,502

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO raises to $30, BTN folds, SB calls $25, Hero raises to $120, CO raises to $340, SB folds, Hero calls $220

Flop: ($710) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1,079 and is All-In, hero?

villain is 24/9 in 55 hands.

homeboy604 · #2 10-29-2007, 08:04 PM

probably play them all the same and call #3.

DND · #3 10-29-2007, 08:59 PM

1) shove pre
2) 3-bet more pre, I think you can fold to his 4-bet
3) shove pre, call as played

thejerkface · #4 10-29-2007, 09:05 PM

Hand 1 - Shove the flop. Your hand becomes much less defined by shoving. It should be pretty obvious that you have a decent overpair with your flop call. There are no draws and not enough money behind for you to float, which should significantly narrow the range he puts you on. Also, he's not second barreling the turn, so you're not gaining any equity against air yet you effectively increase the equity of Ax by not charging him to draw to the ace.

Hand 2 - This is fine. If he's really nitty, you might be able to make a case for folding preflop.

Hand 3 - 5-bet shove pre-flop. You put yourself in a real awkward spot postflop. Being in spots where your hand range is narrow, while your opponent's range is not well defined are always difficult and rarely profitable. Your preflop call creates such a scenario.

nuggetz87 · #5 10-29-2007, 09:24 PM

anyone like betting the turn in hand 2? seems obvious that he has exactly KK as fishy as that sounds.

Borned_Luckbox1 · #6 10-29-2007, 09:31 PM

hand 1. shove preflop

Cold call preflop in hand 2, fold as played.
3-bet more if you're going to 3-bet.

hand 3. fold to 4-bet

cbboy · #7 10-29-2007, 09:39 PM

In hand 3, you can't fold to the 4-bet after you squeezed PF. And why cold call in hand 2?

Melchiades · #8 10-29-2007, 09:39 PM

1. Shove pre or flop.

2. Maybe fold to 4-bet pre. Postflop is meh, he has KK but I don't think you can get him to fold it.

3. I have no idea. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]