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Old 07-21-2007, 05:46 AM
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Default How To Fold QQ Like A Pro (On the Flop)

Cryptologic - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $177.87
BB: $523.36
UTG: $203.00
Hero (MP): $435.60
CO: $225.50
BTN: $349.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, CO calls $24.00, 3 folds, UTG calls $16.00

Flop: ($75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $68.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $201.50</font>, UTG calls all-in for $179.00, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $22.50 returned to CO

Turn: ($501) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($501) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $501.00 ($3 Rake)

UTG had 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (Three of a kind, Eights, Ten high) and WON (+$295.00)
CO had 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (Three of a kind, Sevens, Ten high) and LOST (-$203.00)
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Old 07-21-2007, 05:49 AM
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Default Re: How To Fold QQ Like A Pro (On the Flop)

standard..
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Old 07-21-2007, 05:52 AM
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the check/call all-in from UTG is the easiest part
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Old 07-21-2007, 05:58 AM
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Folding this flop is hardly standard. You are getting almost 4 to 1. Surely, it doesn't look good, but we don't have to win very often to make this a call.
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:34 AM
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Folding this flop is hardly standard. You are getting almost 4 to 1. Surely, it doesn't look good, but we don't have to win very often to make this a call.

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Calling is out of the question. You can't surely be advocating a call here?
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:37 AM
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Folding this flop is hardly standard. You are getting almost 4 to 1. Surely, it doesn't look good, but we don't have to win very often to make this a call.

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huh? so youre advocating a call her to go for two queens and backdoor hearts?

calling this is spew imo
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:39 AM
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It's so easy to give great advice when we know that both opponents flopped a set.
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:49 AM
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Cryptologic - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $177.87
BB: $523.36
UTG: $203.00
Hero (MP): $435.60
CO: $225.50
BTN: $349.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, CO calls $24.00, 3 folds, UTG calls $16.00

Flop: ($75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $68.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $201.50</font>, UTG calls all-in for $179.00,

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what part of this action makes you comfortable? im just honestly baffled how you can think that an overpair would be good here vs someone who RAISED pf, then CALLED a 3-bet and then on the flop CALLED ANOTHER 3-bet allin.

are you high?
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:56 AM
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CO is 18/12/3 over 622 hands
UTG is 20/17/5 over 290 hands

This should make things clearer. FOLD
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:57 AM
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flush draws, 67,65,68, any 6, 99, TT. You see all sorts of crap at times. That's why you could consider a call given action and 4:1 odds. I'd fold. But bet a lot less on the flop.
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