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#1
11-24-2006, 04:18 PM
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What are we doing here?
You open with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the button. SB and BB both call. They seem like decent players, probably 30/20's who play pretty good after the flop.
Flop is K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. It's checked to you...do we bet 100% of the time here? Okay, we bet, SB folds, BB check/raises. Are we ditching here? Seeing a turn? Calling down if a heart doesn't fall? 
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#2
11-24-2006, 05:28 PM
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Re: What are we doing here?
I'd bet here 100% and I'm seeing a showdown pretty close to 100%. In general I think a 30/20 who plays well postflop will checkraise this flop with air, OESDs, gutshots, heart draws, Kings, and Tens, all with a reasonable frequency. I wouldn't plan on ditching unless the board got really really ugly.
Rob
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#3
11-24-2006, 05:29 PM
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Re: What are we doing here?
What are your showdown plans from the flop c/r? Does anyone ever 3bet this here?
I pretty always take this to showdown too, especially since i raised from the button.
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#5
11-24-2006, 07:05 PM
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Re: What are we doing here?
[ QUOTE ]
I'd bet here 100% and I'm seeing a showdown pretty close to 100%. In general I think a 30/20 who plays well postflop will checkraise this flop with air, OESDs, gutshots, heart draws, Kings, and Tens, all with a reasonable frequency. I wouldn't plan on ditching unless the board got really really ugly. Rob [/ QUOTE ] Ditto
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#6
11-24-2006, 07:39 PM
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Re: What are we doing here?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I'd bet here 100% and I'm seeing a showdown pretty close to 100%. In general I think a 30/20 who plays well postflop will checkraise this flop with air, OESDs, gutshots, heart draws, Kings, and Tens, all with a reasonable frequency. I wouldn't plan on ditching unless the board got really really ugly. Rob [/ QUOTE ] Ditto [/ QUOTE ] I also think if he's semibluffing the flop he's definitely following thru on the turn to make sure he gets a fold from us the times we have a gutshot. Surf
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#7
11-24-2006, 08:09 PM
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Re: What are we doing here?
I am cautiously optimistic here especially since sb cold called. That all but eliminates his Ace high and pocket pair hands in my mind. I would check the flop here with the intention of spending one and only one bet on each big street.
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#8
11-24-2006, 08:32 PM
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Re: What are we doing here?
i think checking the flop here is terrible, my default play in this situation is to either three bet the flop, and bet a non scary turn card, probably fold to any other action, or calling a check raise, and raising the turn and checking behind on basically all rivers.
i think he is just plan bluffing, semi bluffing, or being stupid with a smallish PP, we really need to charge those semi bluffs the max
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#10
11-24-2006, 09:46 PM
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Re: What are we doing here?
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i think checking the flop here is terrible, my default play in this situation is to either three bet the flop, and bet a non scary turn card, probably fold to any other action, or calling a check raise, and raising the turn and checking behind on basically all rivers. [/ QUOTE ] i encourage everyone to take this line.
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