Brian Griese to start next week

[TheNoodleMan]

Neil Lomax 82.68
Dave Kreig 81.50
Randall Cunningham 81.47
Boomer Esiason 81.06
Warren Moon 80.90


or if you prefer a more modern example:

Daunte Culpepper 90.75
Chad Pennington 89.32
Tom Brady 88.36

There is simply no way get around the fact that passer rating doesn't come close to getting a full view of QB impact. No matter how many times someone like Kurt Warner holds the ball way too long, gets sacked and fumbles, it will never tarnish his passer rating.

[TheNoodleMan]

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John Elway kinda sucked for most of his career, though.

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He was only the winningest QB in history until this year, often carrying teams on his back that would've gone 4-12 without him. Yep, he sucked.

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The Elway myth has grown over the years. JOA's view is a lot closer to the truth than you are giving it credit for.

From 88-92 he had 73tds and 80 INTs. The idea that he always carried bad teams on his back until TD got there is fairly dubious.

[Oliver Nipples]

Rex > Phillip Rivers

[Billy Bibbit]

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The Elway myth has grown over the years. JOA's view is a lot closer to the truth than you are giving it credit for.

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I think that whenever someone uses the phrase "carried a team on his back" it's always a myth. I didn't start following football until the mid 90's though so I can't speak about most of John Elway's career.

I don't think this Bears team wins a Super Bowl with Brian Griese but they were in danger of falling right out of the playoffs with Rex.

[Suiteness]

Just by reading the post game comments you could tell that the team has given up on this guy. This doesn't rest squarely on the coach's shoulders, I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of veterans actually requested that change.

And the people saying 'Griese is not the answer' are completely missing the point. Anybody but Rex is really what matters at this point.

[TheNoodleMan]

If Griese comes out and sucks do you go back to Rex or move on to Orton?

[iron81]

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If Griese comes out and sucks do you go back to Rex or move on to Orton?

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There's a reason why Lovie went with Rex after his injury even though Orton was winning. On Rex's first pass attempt after he came back, he completed a 15 yard out route. Everyone was amazed because it was the first time in weeks we had completed a pass that deep. That is a play Orton is completely incapable of making.

[Needle77]

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If Griese comes out and sucks do you go back to Rex or move on to Orton?

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I think the fact that Rex got benched you can't bring him in if Griese faulters. Thats it for Rex unless Brian gets hurt.

[bellytimber]

O/U on when Bears fans change their tune?

"He just needed a break to get his confidence back."
"He's the only one with an NFL arm; his ceiling is higher."
"He's still only played one year, last year he was basically a rookie."
"We should put him back in and see how he finishes the season, he deserves one more chance."
"We love you Sex Cannon"

I predict that if the Bears make the playoffs this year, Rex will be have retaken the starting job by week 8, that's the Detroit game at home. If the Bears continue to suck and end up missing the playoffs, Rex will get his last chance starting in the 13th game against the Giants.

Other than one year of Kramer, the Bears haven't had a consistently decent QB since McMahon, and I am so [censored] sick of it.

[Triumph36]

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Griese is overrated and ran a West Coast offense in Denver and Tampa - remember how great Steve Beuerlein and Bubby Brister were in that offense? He's also overrated because of one season where he had a 19-4 TD-INT ratio - the rest of his career he's been closer to 50-50.

He'll probably be better than Rex Grossman, but expecting anything beyond average is expecting too much.

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Brian Griese has the highest career QB rating in both the Denver and Tampa Bay franchise histories. If their "system" was so easy to put up good QB numbers in, then why has nobody else IN THE HISTORY OF BOTH FRANCHISES ever put up as good of a QB rating?

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If this guy is so great, why isn't he still starting for Denver or Tampa Bay? He wasn't that great. He had some good years and not-so-good years. QB rating favors West Coast offenses.