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Old 11-26-2007, 01:02 PM
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Default Re: 1-table S&Gs - your feedback requested

Rake paid for about 40-45 minutes of play time at a 32+3 is 81$ for the table (and less time for early busting). Can someone with a knowledge of rake at the cash games let me know at what cash stakes we'd have to be playing in order to pay that kind of rake in this amount of time?
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:15 PM
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The fact STTF is asking for lower rake means that it is a serious problem effecting the long term profitability of a games and not just an easy way to save $1 a sng.

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Agreed
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:19 PM
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If you really want to find a disparity try doing the same calculations for sngs with buyins over $500. How on earth is there any logical reason that the rake barely goes up at all in cash games whether you're playing 5/10 or 500/1000, yet the rake in sngs is 90 times higher in a 2k buyin than it is in a $15 buyin?
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:22 PM
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Keep the ante's....anything that adds to the overall skill of a sng is a good thing
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:23 PM
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Agreed, forgot rake was capped.
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:23 PM
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i think the structure is fine atm and i wouldn't like to see it changed.

not sure if it's been mentioned yet but how about doing a 1 week promo with reduced rake??? maybe half price or $2 off the 60s, $3 off the 109s etc. i think you'd get a ton of extra traffic from FTP and it would be a good way to assess how it affects your bottom line.

or possibly a promo week where any FPP points earned on SNG tables count double (or extra 50%). for any mulitablers on the 27s, 60s or above this could a huge bonus.
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:26 PM
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-lower rake!!

-cool sit and go promotions like fulltilt has
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:02 PM
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I'd like the blind level clearly visible at a glance on the top bar when the tables are small - particularly when the antes start kicking in,
Hands per level and stop people loading 10 in advance please
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: 1-table S&Gs - your feedback requested

It has been my assumption for a couple years now that there is an unwritten agreement among poker sites to have the same approximate rake at different levels of SNGs. That is the only explanation for the lack of a rake war over the past 2-3 years.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:28 PM
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I really think the rake issue is huge, as others have pointed out. I also think it is more important for your marketing to the casual player to limit STT rake than cash game rake. The rake is right there every time you sign up for a STT, you can't avoid it. A casual player would have to spend some time to find the rake difference between two sites in a cash game. In an STT is is obvious from the start.

I also think it is time to admit that the scaling of the rake as you move to higher level tournaments makes no sense at all. It can't possibly cost Stars much more to run a $255 than a $15+1. I would be shocked if someone from marketing was willing to even attempt a defense of that structure, and 'everyone else does it' isn't a defense. More games running at higher levels means fewer pros at lower stakes, which means that the casual player sticks around longer and is more competitive.

As to the blind levels, I would prefer the Party structure, but the question pales next to the rake issue.
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