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#1
11-01-2007, 10:48 AM
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AQo tptk facing flopraise
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $445 Hero (CO): $468 BTN: $836.05 SB: $430.60 BB: $863.20 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, BTN calls $14, 2 folds Flop: ($34) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $24</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $86</font> I joined the table this orvit and don't had any reads on this player. my plan was to call his bet and crai the turn. How do you play it? And what do yo do if the turn is a club? 
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#2
11-01-2007, 10:54 AM
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Re: AQo tptk facing flopraise
Against an unknown, I prefer to call here. Crai the turn is sweet, but if it's a club, I check fold all the time. His range will be crushing you at that time if it happens...
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#3
11-01-2007, 11:00 AM
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Re: AQo tptk facing flopraise
with no reads it's difficult obv.
I call flop raise a re-evaluate on turn... I basically fold to most turn bets unimproved.. Long gone are teh days when 3betting your TPTK was turning your hand into a bluff - Against alot of 400 regulars you could 3bet here for value....
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#4
11-01-2007, 11:14 AM
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Re: AQo tptk facing flopraise
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Against an unknown, I prefer to call here. Crai the turn is sweet, but if it's a club, I check fold all the time. His range will be crushing you at that time if it happens... [/ QUOTE ] Why cr(ai) on turn? For value or bluff? I can’t see better hands folding – some worse hands can call maybe.. On turn, if u call, pot = 140 with ~400 stacks. I think crai on turn is the worst of our options.
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#5
11-01-2007, 11:35 AM
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Re: AQo tptk facing flopraise
you can't just call a turnbet imo because you commit yourself and if you decide to commit on the turn you should let draw pay the maximum
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#6
11-01-2007, 11:43 AM
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Re: AQo tptk facing flopraise
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you can't just call a turnbet imo because you commit yourself and if you decide to commit on the turn you should let draw pay the maximum [/ QUOTE ] you're not just concerned with charging draws - your concern is maxmising EV against his range(sets, FD, air, weaker queens) - as u know. If you call his flop raise and he bets $110 on turn his range has polarised to a great extent.
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#8
11-01-2007, 12:35 PM
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Re: AQo tptk facing flopraise
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[ QUOTE ] you can't just call a turnbet imo because you commit yourself and if you decide to commit on the turn you should let draw pay the maximum [/ QUOTE ] you're not just concerned with charging draws - your concern is maxmising EV against his range(sets, FD, air, weaker queens) - as u know. If you call his flop raise and he bets $110 on turn his range has polarised to a great extent. [/ QUOTE ] People are assuming he will bet both his made hands and his draws on the turn. If you know he will always bet his good hands and check behind on turn with his draws/bluffs, then you can simply call the flop raise, check/fold the turn and if he checks too, check/call any safe river. If he does bet draws on the turn it's an easy c/r all-in.
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