Dealing with abusive player from the floor/dealer perspective.

[Anacardo]

Anybody shy about correcting dealers should sit a lowish-to-middleish session of omaha-eight-or-better. They'll get over it in a big hurry.

[bav]

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Please. He's annoying me directly.

I forgot that this forum was the nit forum.

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Get over yourself. Every single person so far has said you were wrong, including dids. If you're on the rail and are being annoyed, move.

If you want to admit you knew you were wrong but couldn't help yourself because the player was such a dick, I could respect that. But don't try to defend yourself by calling other people nits simply because they understand and abide by some basic rules of courtesy and poker etiquette.

And dids is right, his basic question about how the floor should deal with rude players remains somewhat unanswered.

I've seen relatively few such events, but it generally comes down to the floor coming over for the 3rd time, or so, and explaining that he's had all he's gonna take and if he's called for a 4th time both players will be leaving the room (it's usually just two guys going at it). In other words, handle it like an annoyed mother with squabbling sibblings.

I've also seen the threat be "if I come over again I'm asking the dealer who started it and that person is leaving". That's fine.

The form of this which annoys me and I've seen a couple times is when the floor comes over and threatens the entire table with "if I have to come over here again I'm closing down the whole table and you'll ALL be leaving"...nope, that's not acceptable when it's clear there are one or two people responsible. That's a sign the floor has let the situation get to him. However wacky the situation gets, the floor needs to try to stay calm and impersonal and fair.

[kyleb]

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If you want to admit you knew you were wrong but couldn't help yourself because the player was such a dick, I could respect that. But don't try to defend yourself by calling other people nits simply because they understand and abide by some basic rules of courtesy and poker etiquette.

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1) What I did was probably against the floor's rules. That said, I defend my actions for the greater good of the room regardless. If it's going to shut up an idiotic table coach who everyone clearly dislikes while simultaneously getting me moved, so be it.
2) I didn't call you all nits as a defensive measure of my post. It's a related comment but not dependant on the story.

[bav]

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I'm pretty much the only one that doesn't put up with [censored]. If it comes across as being a dick, that's fine.

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There must be something missing from did's story. Did's tale says kyleb was on the rail and some stupid conversation about outs comes up, then Kyle and the guy "get into it". I figured that meant the table was chatting about outs and Kyle butted in and ticked off a player. Did something happen which legitimately pulled kyleb into this conversation? Was Kyle talking to dids about outs and the player at the table butted in? I'm trying to figure out why Kyle thinks he was so completely justified to be involved here; he seems pretty adamant about his right to be part of this.

[kyleb]

bernie,

I don't disagree that what I did violated the stated rules of the cardroom. However, like I said before, I'm not your typical guy that sits around and lets people annoy me and friends of mine, stews on it, and tells people behind their backs. I an open, honest, and just come out with it.

The guy was berating some of the known regulars (fish) there, telling them how bad they are for calling check-raises with a gutshot, overcards, etc. Standard table coach stuff and worse. So, I say "Wow, I didn't know Parker's Casino was offering free poker lessons!" He says something like "Are you talking to me," to which I simply reply "Yes, I am." He goes nuts, complains to the floor, then Dids' story is accurate.

The bottom line is this: I don't care about violating the stated rules of the cardroom when my actions will clearly make everyone happier and the game better.

[Dids]

What literally happened.

Guy is a dick all night, when Kyle shows up, stabn and told him a few stories about the dude. While kyle is sitting there talking to us, the dude tosses some crap at stabn, and then this conversation comes up where the guy is berating an unrelated fish and kyle says "I didn't know they were giving free lessons at 4/8" which gets a "are you talking to me" and things escalate from there. Kyle's tone is never even as harsh as it is in this thread.

I'm also on the side of "I know kyle was wrong by the rules of the floor, but not totally out of line in terms of the greater good".

[bav]

ok. I'll go with "couldn't help yourself because the player was such a dick". And it all woulda been hunky-dory if Kyle had just waited until he was seated to speak. I gots no problems with returning fire against deserving loud-mouths at the table.

[bernie]

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As for the game, we're playing 4/8. Most of us play much, much higher, so we're absolutely screwing around for the majority of the time. Therefore, we're giving the locals tons of undue action and we tip the dealers/floor very well. I'm good friends with most of the dealers and the floor at Parker's, to boot.

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Sorry, but that's not justification for disrupting/escalating a situation in a game from the rail.

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[bernie]

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I don't disagree that what I did violated the stated rules of the cardroom. However, like I said before, I'm not your typical guy that sits around and lets people annoy me and friends of mine, stews on it, and tells people behind their backs. I an open, honest, and just come out with it.

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Please. This has nothing to do with it. I don't tend to take crap from anyone myself, but if my buds are in a game with an idiot, they can fend for themselves. They don't need me chirping from the rail.

You got yourself involved here by saying something from the rail. You were responsible for you getting into it. After your initial comment, and he says, 'are you talking to me', you could just smile and walk away. I think you said it knowing full well how he'd react so then you could start in on him. Deserved or not, the rail isn't the spot to come to the rescue from in this type of situation.

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[bernie]

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This thread is getting off topic from my original question.

FWIW I knew Kyle was wrong, but I was willing to leverage his wrongness into getting the other guy to shut up.

I'm just wondering what the usual standard for non-profane abuse is. I mean, were I a floor, I'd try and shut the guy down pdq, but then, I'm not a floor and don't have to deal with the realities of a poker room and the freaks that exist therein.

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Unless its disrupting another table, it's pretty much up to the people on the table.

Today we got to sit with a real panzy-ass whiny bitch. Literally told us all he'd like us all to have car accidents on the way home. Why? Because his big hands were getting cracked. God it was agonizing, yet a little humorous to listen to. Berating everyone. Telling everyone how bad he's running. How he's running out of money. We just kind of played along with him and stuff with some sarcasm. He liked me. Said I at least knew how to fold a blind to a raise, bladdy blah blah. That was until I wouldn't bump knuckles with him when my 'good' hand held up. Left his fist hanging well out over the table. Screw him. I'm not 'buddies' with anyone that represents one of the things I really despise in a cardroom. I think for some reason that made sort of an impression on him since he shut up quite a bit after that. Wasn't nearly as vocal as he was prior. But he was also great action and tilting pretty good. That said, no one from the rail should've said anything. It was up to us if we wanted anything to be done. I just asked the dealer if the room had the violin players with the high absorbant towels yet.

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