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Old 04-03-2007, 12:48 PM
Dennisa Dennisa is offline
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

I'm happy I have the option to play full or short stack. The reason is I live in Los Angeles. If I want to practice online for my b&M play, I buy in for 20 or 33 big blinds so I can simulate casino play.

The main reason the full stackers dont want the short stackers is that IT COMPLICATES THE FULL STACKERS GAME. Its may be a small advantage, but it is an advantage to play short stack in NL.
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

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The same situation exists live -- you get up and find another table if you want to continue to play short after a big hit. THe only difference is that instead of seconds to find another table it might take a few minutes.


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You have no concept of live play, do you?
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:11 PM
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

Ive yet to see a really good short stacker. By and large they are bad. The only negative they bring is a limit to what i can win, and an ability to kill side action by making big overbets.

You gotta love them some times though:

Ive cut out the suits and the other stacks, they dont make a difference. Its 5 handed here btw.

Seat 5: pablos48 ($45.65 in chips)
Seat 6: MisterDiceman ($443.60 in chips)

pablos48: Post SB $1.00
MisterDiceman: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pablos48 [A A] him
Dealt to MisterDiceman [J J] me
Xaitra87: Call $2.00
paymefriday: Fold
PFish112: Call $2.00
pablos48: Call $1.00
MisterDiceman: Raise $10.00
Xaitra87: Fold
PFish112: Fold
pablos48: Allin $43.65
MisterDiceman: Call $33.65
*** FLOP *** [Q 6 Q]
*** TURN *** [8]
*** RIVER *** [5]

Lololol.

Fwiw, he hung around and gave me a chance to beat him:

Seat 5: pablos48 ($50.70 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: MisterDiceman ($450.90 in chips)

MisterDiceman: Post SB $1.00
Mubbben: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MisterDiceman [K K]
Dealt to pablos48 [10 10]
paymefriday: Fold
PFish112: Fold
pablos48: Call $2.00
MisterDiceman: Raise $8.00
Mubbben: Call $7.00
pablos48: Call $7.00
*** FLOP *** [J 8 2]
MisterDiceman: Bet $20.00
Mubbben: Call $20.00
pablos48: Allin $41.70
MisterDiceman: Raise $86.80
Mubbben: Fold
*** TURN *** [10]
*** RIVER *** [J]

Way it goes i guess.

My point, he played badly twice (see hand 1, if i have rags, check and someone else holds a Q, he busts that stack) - he doesnt even get away from his pocket pair with an over there.

Its all just variance. I have a loads of records of shortstackers who come sit down, play a couple of orbits, get it in bad and then leave.

I always assume shortstackers = fish, because 99% of the time they simply are.
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

Why the hate indeed,

Shortstackers usually suck, they wouldn't play otherwise so yes I like them at the table. You do need to make adjustments against them, but I'd rather have a whole school of short fish than a table full of full stacked nits.
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

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The main reason the full stackers dont want the short stackers is that IT COMPLICATES THE FULL STACKERS GAME.

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This is untrue. Short stack buyin players eliminate many of the advanced plays available which actually simplifies the game.

Better players want a game to be more complex so their skills can come into play.

As I said above, short stack buyin players are not necessarily bad. Too many at a tables does tend to tighten up the whole table but good players can adjust.

It is the ratholing short stack buyin players that give them all a bad reputation.
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

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Wow. "Vermin"?

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I assure you there was no malice intended, simply a reference to "rat"holing. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

there was a pretty good discussion about short-stackers in the ElDiablo forum recently.
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Old 04-03-2007, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

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Wow. "Vermin"?

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I assure you there was no malice intended, simply a reference to "rat"holing. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Ah. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] (Taking things too seriously today. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

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there was a pretty good discussion about short-stackers in the ElDiablo forum recently.

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Cool! I assumed the El Diablo and Sklansky forums were just for fanboys and I have enough time sinks already. Guess I will go check it out.
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: NL: Why the hate on short buy-ins?

ElD forum is kind of for fanboys a little bit.
But not really.
It's mostly an OOT-mature type place (as opposed to regular OOT which sometimes can be pretty immature...but also has some occasional really good conversations).

he is stricter on the direction the conversation goes. He expects somewhat intelligent discussion without the insulting.
And poker topics are allowed such as the discussion on short-stackers.
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