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09-19-2007, 03:05 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
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we lose to nothing here imo [/ QUOTE ] O RLY? 
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#12
09-19-2007, 03:07 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
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I'm never ever folding this. You're behind 88/A9 only. And one quad combo. Question is how to get to sd. I'm thinking making a delayed call on the turn hoping to induce one more bluff on the river is fine. C/r turn is fine as well. Just don't fold the river ever. [/ QUOTE ] And you are ahead of what? A very optimistic AQ? Random draws that OP's read rules out? You can't just say "ZOMG WE ONLY LOSE TO A FEW HANDS!!1!!!!1!11"
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#13
09-19-2007, 03:10 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
but we dont lose to any hands at all... he doesnt minraise the flop with a set/2pair on a board that coordinated
he has like AK/Q (outside chance of a weaker Ace vbetting hoping you have KK/QQ too i guess) or he has a busted draw like 100%
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#14
09-19-2007, 03:14 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
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but we dont lose to any hands at all... he doesnt minraise the flop with a set/2pair on a board that coordinated he has like AK/Q (outside chance of a weaker Ace vbetting hoping you have KK/QQ too i guess) or he has a busted draw like 100% [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Why not? Him adding another $5 to the bet really changes anything? I'd certainly consider minraising there, given everyone who is willing to felt AK here.
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#15
09-19-2007, 03:25 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
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[ QUOTE ] I'm never ever folding this. You're behind 88/A9 only. And one quad combo. Question is how to get to sd. I'm thinking making a delayed call on the turn hoping to induce one more bluff on the river is fine. C/r turn is fine as well. Just don't fold the river ever. [/ QUOTE ] And you are ahead of what? A very optimistic AQ? Random draws that OP's read rules out? You can't just say "ZOMG WE ONLY LOSE TO A FEW HANDS!!1!!!!1!11" [/ QUOTE ] OP said he "feels" villain re-raises strong aces preflop. I believe him. The rest of the post he's going on analysing villain's bet- and raise-sizes, this is not being based on a the actual read of the player. When he raises the flop he might have a fd, JT, 76, A9/A8/99/88 or air imo. On the flop the combos we're behind are 10 (assuming villain won't call off-suit Ax). On the turn we're ahead of 2 of those and the combos we're behind has decreased to 5. There's tons of FDs and oesd possible though. I'm going to go ahead and say: ZOMG WE ONLY LOSE TO A FEW HANDS!!1!!!!1!11
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#16
09-19-2007, 03:28 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
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I'd certainly consider minraising there, given everyone who is willing to felt AK here. [/ QUOTE ] I'm felting this hand both to a min-raise and a normal sized raise.
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#17
09-19-2007, 03:31 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
As for the analysing of the bet- and raise-sizes. In general a min-raise on the flop is often a draw ime. I agree a draw usually bets a bit more on the turn, but you're behind of so few hands that his bet sizing on the turn isn't a big enough concern to ever consider folding. He might bet this way with A8 that all of a sudden has lost most of it's value. Or maybe Axs. Or maye a draw. We don't know really. But this hand is worth felting. However I agree it would be an even easier decision if villain had bet bigger on the turn. But whatever.
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#18
09-19-2007, 03:43 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
as i was playing the hand, when the 9 hit the turn i actually said to myself "well, that makes 99 less likely".
also, do we think the villain is bluffing, or is he value betting a worse hand? does a hand like Axs value bet this river>?
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#19
09-19-2007, 03:48 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
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[ QUOTE ] but we dont lose to any hands at all... he doesnt minraise the flop with a set/2pair on a board that coordinated he has like AK/Q (outside chance of a weaker Ace vbetting hoping you have KK/QQ too i guess) or he has a busted draw like 100% [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Why not? Him adding another $5 to the bet really changes anything? I'd certainly consider minraising there, given everyone who is willing to felt AK here. [/ QUOTE ] minraising what exactly? honestly im more scared of 55 or 67 than any hand that was ahead of us on the turn
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#20
09-19-2007, 03:49 AM
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Re: 200nl - AK flops TP and faces heat from aggro opponent.
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also, do we think the villain is bluffing, or is he value betting a worse hand? does a hand like Axs value bet this river>? [/ QUOTE ] At the river we're mostly hoping he's bluffing. I guess he'll show up with a worse Ax some of the time though. Personally I take action before the river almsot 100% of the time. If I think he's likely to bet the turn with a draw I'm calling and check/raising the turn, otherwise I'm just bombing the flop. Being oop I'm bombimg the flop most often.
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