TAG v. LAG style of play in MSSH (Cross-Post from SSSH Forum)

[kapw7]

This is an ever repeating theme in the FL forums. Someone dares to explore or supports the possibility that a non 2p2 TAG strategy can be optimal in the sense that it exploits standard TAGs and takes the money from fish anyway and also take more than its fair share of dead money from fish/blinds etc.

This idea is getting attacked ferociously most times with no arguments at all. I fear that the 2p2 FL froums have lost a lot of the ability to create new strategy ideas that suit in the games as they have changed now.

Maybe compare with the NL forums.

[Victor]

stellar, what i said amounts to a dare but theres surely nothing personal about it. it simply makes the most sense to me that, rather than guessing, actually doing it would be more beneficial.

this solves a few problems. mainly, you can create a larger sample size much faster. and you can start to understand the effects, large and small, of playing such a style. talk about it all you want but if you really want to understand you gotta do it. just like anything else in life.

remember josh (sthief) was the first to post about and discuss 30/20 style in depth. how did he do it? well, he played 20k hands and posted screenshots and thoughts.

[malorum]

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If I am good enough to get away with such a style it almost certainly would be at a lower rather than a higher limit.

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you'd be surprised

[MATT111]

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If I am good enough to get away with such a style it almost certainly would be at a lower rather than a higher limit.

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you'd be surprised

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Making lots of mistakes should be more costly against good rather than bad opponents, right!?
I know how mid/semi-high stakes play pretty well and decent LAGs can be a pain in the arse. What I know as well is that what made these levels tough to beat is not the LAGs, it`s that loose-passive play is not present at these levels anymore.

[StellarWind]

Low PFR players of all types get killed. This is very clear in my data. For players under VPIP = 25% I required PFR > 12%. All looser players were required to have PFR > 15%. See my earlier posts for details.

[DrSavage]

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Low PFR players of all types get killed. This is very clear in my data. For players under VPIP = 25% I required PFR > 12%. All looser players were required to have PFR > 15%. See my earlier posts for details.

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Ok, I will check again when i get home.

[DpR]

The problem with a lot of the tones in this thread is that the definitions of TAG differ slightly.

I agree that it would be hard to win at 23/15 or something. That seems BAD not TAG. 29/20 is TAG IMO. 37/28ish is LAG TAG.

Also, TAG folds A4s UTG in a 5/6 handed game? I guess I am not familiar with the 2+2 TAG game.

[wackjob]

definately true.
BAD TAG to me is 23-26VP$P PFR15-17
GOOD TAG is 27-30VP$P PFR18-21
LAG/TAG is 31-35VP$P PFR 20-25

[DrSavage]

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definately true.
BAD TAG to me is 23-26VP$P PFR15-17
GOOD TAG is 27-30VP$P PFR18-21
LAG/TAG is 31-35VP$P PFR 20-25

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I pretty much disagree with both of you.

[wackjob]

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definately true.
BAD TAG to me is 23-26VP$P PFR15-17
GOOD TAG is 27-30VP$P PFR18-21
LAG/TAG is 31-35VP$P PFR 20-25


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I pretty much disagree with both of you.


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Yet your post was so worthwhile.