Hand from Borgata WPT

[helgefyll]

I think it looks like he wanted to slowplay his three aces on the turn one more time, but he obv doesn't mind when the ruling gets him to raise. I think the key is that there are very few hands which you don't mind your call getting ruled to a raise, and I think all of those hands got you beat(exept maybe AK).

[ActionJeff]

What is this DOUCY-esque junk with "the key"? Do you really expect everyone to factor in every little live read when they weren't at the table? I think getting the responses you've gotten w/some actual reasoning and suggestions for the most profitable line is quite an accomplishment in this forum. Explaining why some tell changes the correct decision or even why it is in fact the correct decision is a little more productive than this guessing game IMO. In my experience, the key in a hand is to come to a logical decision that accounts for all of the information at hand and that maximizes ones long term expectation. I think the posters responding are doing a decent job of extrapolating the correct decision which you have obviously already decided on (and wanted to post just to show everyone this?) from all of this live read "if he had a strong hand he'd have acted" mumbo jumbo.

It's certainly a good hand to post, but you know, come on. Don't go Sklansky on us!

-Jeff

[Clayton]

Dude now I have to reread this goddam OP seven times to figure out the key

It's like my youth, watching Legend of the Hidden Temple

[Clayton]

I think the kicker is that in his preflop raise, when you noted he was strong, he verbally announced his action meekly and then acted

Now, he acts first and then verbally makes his decision, and in a punctuated manner.

Distinct order difference in auditory versus physical action.

I think that is the big thing you are looking at?

It would seem as if, were the intentions that he angle shoot you, that his angle shoot be premeditated and he make his raise more congruent or better timed with his action, ie throwing this chips out while saying "call".

So, I think you are ahead.

[ProfessorNo2]

The first thing that jumps out at me is that I doubt very much that the BB, being a straightforward, low-stakes player would be attempting to angleshoot. He probably doesn't even know what that means and would probably never want to appear to do anything out of line. I think you can take him at his word that he did, in fact, just want to call. How useful this is in narrowing his range, I don't really know. It seems he would check the flop with much of his range (AA/KK/AK because he thinks he's trapping, QQ/JJ/TT because he hates the two overs). Now, on the turn, assuming I'm right, and he does intend to just call, he could again be trapping, esp given your aggro image post-flop, but I think if he has one of the hands that has you crushed, he's probably raising. The board got more draw-heavy and the trap he set on the flop worked. I would call the turn raise and check/call any reasonable bet on most rivers.

[Tonylee2402]

Hes got TT. I have ruled out KK because I think he'd bet the flop being a straightforward player.

I think the mistake with the chips is genuine, there is a lot of back up for this:

1/ He has 'had a beer or two'.
2/ 'He doesn't seem rich, and probably satellited into this event' which means he probably hasn't played in many casinos.
3/ Its only level 2 so he hasn't been playing long and might not have familiarised with the chips.

Even though he has turned a set he knows that a/ the armenian limped from UTG and b/ you've been 'somewhat tight after the flop' and hes a bit worried that hes still beat. He wants to keep the pot small and is planning on c/c the river.

When he realises he has raised the turn he gets worried that he is going to be raised by either of the players and will be in a tight spot where he might have to fold. Hes probably most worried that the Armenian has slow played KK looking to miss an A high flop or you have QJ.

as for the key - hes not rich and doesn't want to loose (although i'd like to say the booze)

[Ansky]

What is this a [censored] treasure hunt?

[KneeCo]

I have no idea what the "key" is, but just in terms of the hand, which is a good one, here's my reaction

The way the hand went down, the fact that he delayed his verbal "call" after throwing his chips out contrasted with his meekish before putting the chips in pf verbal call.
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UTG + hero's image as two players very likely to bluff 3b an "accidental" raise.
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The range of a tight solid ABC player that makes that pf raise in that spot actually wants to raise in that spot a lot more often than call in it.
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A very possible fold.

[grey_abbey]

1. He raised 500 more pre-flop. Would that not indicate that he knows which are the 500 and the 5000.

2. Its also the 2nd level, he probably hasn't used the 5000 chips yet but conveniently throws one in for the first time here (bluff vs old lady wasn't a big all in).

3. I presume he could have put in a 1k chip and three 100 chips to call.
1+2+3 = Angle-shooting imho

Edited for clarity

[betgo]

I would fold based on the information you give about BB. You were suspicious from his manner he had a big hand when he raised preflop. Someone wouldn't make an effort to appear weak with AK. That sounds like AA/KK.

I would be very suspicious of the accidental large raise. My experience is that bad players or amateur players almost always doing something different when they have a big hand. Like they never just make their standard preflop raise with AA. I wouldn't assume he couldn't angle shoot.