6/12 live -- 44

[aK13]

Guy behind me is table talking to me -- a fairly decent, I think maybe just slighty too lose, and slightly too passive, but definitely has a decent range preflop and can make folds.

Button is new, didn't buy in very deep.

I apologize if this not so coherent -- im under teh influence a bit tonight and I just wanted to post before I forget.

I get red 44 somewhere in later position.

Theres 1 limper, some folds, I limp, guy behind me limps, button goes 2, blinds call.

6 to flop for 12: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB check, BB check, limper 1 check, I check, guy behind bets, button raises, everyone folds to me, I call, guy behind calls.

3 to the turn for 9: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I check, guy behind checks, button bets, I raise, guy behind folds, button calls.

2 to the river for 11: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet,

Comments on streets appreciated, especially about flop and river play. Maybe more standard than I think.

[Zeldark]

This one's really annoying. Unless he's insane I can't imagine any worse hands raising much. He has 9x, 8x.

Ace High and high PP may find a call though, so I think B/F should be fairly effective.

[fretelöo]

I think this is much more often AA-QQ than 9x or 8x. B/f for sure.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

its all sex

b/c

[Buzz-cp]

3bet the flop and don't fold the river.

[Christian_Peters]

I assume you don't bet the flop because you don't want BTN to auto-raise and face the others w/ 2?

But I think that's a pretty bad reason for not betting the flop here. It would be a DISASTER for the flop to get checked through, and you didn't say anything about a read on BTN that say's he will always bet in this spot. Therefore, you should bet. Also, there are 6 players in this hand and this pot is already big. Even if BTN raises, this board is coordinated enough that you will typically get 1 or 2 others to stay on this flop. I would bet this flop 110% of the time.

As played, why the hell did you not 3-bet the flop?

Why the hell would you think about doing anything on the river than b/c.

I think anyone telling you to fold this river to 1BB is insane.

[Christian_Peters]

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I assume you don't bet the flop because you don't want BTN to auto-raise and face the others w/ 2?

But I think that's a pretty bad reason for not betting the flop here. It would be a DISASTER for the flop to get checked through, and you didn't say anything about a read on BTN that say's he will always bet in this spot. Therefore, you should bet. Also, there are 6 players in this hand and this pot is already big. Even if BTN raises, this board is coordinated enough that you will typically get 1 or 2 others to stay on this flop. I would bet this flop 110% of the time.

As played, why the hell did you not 3-bet the flop?

Why the hell would you think about doing anything on the river than b/c.

I think anyone telling you to fold this river to 1BB is insane.

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And another thing...

if you want to mix it up and the conditions are right, this is my plan on this flop. It goes: I bet, BTN raises, ...now if 2 or more players call this raise, then I refrain from 3-towning it in order to set up a sick value c/r on a non-spade turn. Did that not cross your mind?
If only like 1 player calls BTN's raise, I think I go ahead and 3-town the flop.

[Second Toughest]

I like your style. Stay discreet and go with the flow. Agree, bet river and show down.

[Christian_Peters]

Thanks, although I know for a fact that I don't play half as good as OP.

I just rarely slowplay *especially* when I'm playing live, and I certainly do not think this is a flop to slow play.

[fretelöo]

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As played, why the hell did you not 3-bet the flop?

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Because, first, guy behind might fold if faced with 3 cold. Second, if he doesn't fold now, he'll likely just c/call our turn bet. By waiting for the turn, we're expecting to gain another SB from raising then.