The rule and ettiquitte on asking to see mucked cards at showdown?

[PokerHatesMe]

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This rule is a "PRIVLAGE" not a "right" indeed anyone that was delt cards in the beginning of a hand has a "right" to ask to see a losing players hand in a called showdown but it is a "privalge" for it to be utilized more than once... if somone at your table is continuing to ask to see the losing hands of players then just call the floor and they will stop it.

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and you know this because??

you are all almost all wrong here. The etiquette is to not ask to often. Outside of the cult of 2+2, it is not bad ettiquette to ask that and hand in a showdown be shown down.

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apparently you play 1/2 limit "poker" with a bunch of 70 year old grandmothers.

Please ban.

[ActionBob]

Calling the floor will not help your cause in this case. In fact in the situation you describe, when player 1 just says "You win, I missed" and mucks the dealer is supposed to turn your hand over to be seen. I'm fairly certain the Borgata rule states with equal action on the river a winning hand must always be shown.

-ActionBob

[paveplanet]

Speaking of 70 year old grandmothers...I'm playing 4-8 limit at the Orleans waiting for the tournament to start.
Running over the game and 3 times the same old duffer asks to see my cards. I tell the dealer if she's gonna keep showing I want to see his cards everytime.
When I go to cash out +300 I tell all the grey hairs at the table "see ya next week, bring another social security check".
When in doubt sail your cards into the muck, then the dealer can't dig them out.

[jcl]

I agree that if you call and your opponent tables the winning hand no one should ask you to see it when you muck. Similarly if you bet and they call you shouldn't ask to see it if you win. I do agree with people however that people who don't show when they're first to act (usually after being called on a bluff), just declaring 'you got it' or open mucking are bloody annoying. I paid to see what he had just as much as I did to win the pot and I deserve to see it.

[jcl]

Also even if your opponent does ask to see in one of the first two situations I mentioned I still don't see why people get so worked up about it. If you want etiquette go to a retirement home and have some tea with them. If you want to do well at poker there is nothing wrong with gaining very valuable information.

I bet all of you never look at your opponent's showdown cards online? or turn the option off for instant show on PaHUD? yeah i bet.

[pfapfap]

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open mucking are bloody annoying.

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I'm in favor of people open-mucking. I encourage you to do so when playing against me.

[Luisgallo]

Never seen a word mispelt so many times and not even close to the correct one...
There is not good or bad etiquette, rules says that if you show one card anyone can ask to see the second one and the dealer should enforce this if asked.

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rules says that if you show one card anyone can ask to see the second one and the dealer should enforce this if asked.

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Now THAT is a rare and moronic rule.

[bav]

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rules says that if you show one card anyone can ask to see the second one and the dealer should enforce this if asked.

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Now THAT is a rare and moronic rule.

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Not so rare anymore. Before the WSOP this year Harrah's ran around poker room to poker room in Vegas to "standardize" a few things and one of those was the enforcement of this new (I think it's new) rule. Show one show both is the rule of the land in Harrah's casinos (last I checked...haven't seen this actually enforced in a while).

[DesertCat]

Usually it doesnt bother me, except today. I lost about $5,000 in Oct., and am down this month. Today I have lost $400 of my only $500 buyin when UTG silently tosses out a single green chip. MP asks dealer what that means and dealer says it's a call. UTG is incredulous, is that the rule in this casino? Dealer replys that its the rule in every casino. Two more calls and I get to play Qc7c for only $5 in small blind. Flop 774. For some reason I don't lead. BB checks, UTG bets $15. For some reason I just call and bb calls. Turn 6. For some reason I dont lead, check, check. River 5. Now I have to check, BB bets, UTG cries but eventually folds, I think but decide I have to call. BB shows 86 for straight. I shake my head and muck.

UTG says I want to see his hand! Pointing at me. Dealer flips my cards and UTG dork says I knew one of em had a 7. Its all I can do to hold back a torrent of obscenities. Finally I say if you want to see my cards, next time show me yours. He responds, I did. The guy next to me confirms UTG flashed the table pocket jacks, which must have been while I pondered my call. Yes, the guy was showing his cards while the hand was still being played. At this point I can see only red and bust the very next hand (KQ allin preflop called by 87). Thank god I did not have another buyin.