Patowotomi: 1 Free Dealer + 2 Willing Players = No Game???

[Im_Your_ATM]

Potowatomi Casino Milwaukee, WI

This happened a while ago, it was definitely pre-expansion. I ask floor to spread a higher limit NL game, can't remember if it was $5-$10, $10-$20 or $25-$50. There was a dealer sitting at an empty table since it was not at a peak time. The floor still said no and when I can't remember what he answered when I asked why but I can't recall what he said specifically but I recall thinking it was pointless to continue the conversation due to the answer as he seemed to be a glorified bouncer with a bouncer's power loving demeanor. Why is this (that they won't spread this game not why are the vast majority of bouncers such douchebags)? Is this normal? I know a lot of states have max bet rules but I don't think Wisconsin is one of them since they spread a $2-$5 NL game. Pato could be so good that it's frustrating to me how poorly run it is. Have not been there in a long time, any bigger games or improvements due to new addition?

This summer I'll be in Shawano, Wisconsin and I'd like to bring some friends and if the games they're spreading is not to our satisfaction then create a new game. I doubt anybody has any knowledge about this casino. It's by Green Bay but isn't Ho Chunk or Oneida or whatever the GB one is called. It's really small - 1 to 2 games. Will they spread whatever I want? More importantly will the GILFs be impressed by my rubber band of 100s?

[droopy0021]

They're not going to spread higher NL on request for following:

1) might not be enough players to fill a table
2) don't want to kill another game just to fill a new table
3) do you know the dealer rotations/staffing they had set at the time? maybe not enough staff
4) they aren't looking to promote higher NL (don't want all the $$ to go away that quickly)--since expansion it looks like they're trying to bring limit back with a change in game offerings (ie, 4-8 & 6-12 vs. 5-10)

I would say good luck in picking thru the GILF at a casino in Green Bay, WI but I figure you won't need any luck in fighting through 0.

[magoo]

There is only one person in that room, that fits your description. Sounds like the floor person with the biggest pot gut and a lot of facial hair. He's lacking in "social skills".

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Potowatomi Casino Milwaukee, WI

This happened a while ago, it was definitely pre-expansion. I ask floor to spread a higher limit NL game, can't remember if it was $5-$10, $10-$20 or $25-$50. There was a dealer sitting at an empty table since it was not at a peak time. The floor still said no and when I can't remember what he answered when I asked why but I can't recall what he said specifically but I recall thinking it was pointless to continue the conversation due to the answer as he seemed to be a glorified bouncer with a bouncer's power loving demeanor. Why is this (that they won't spread this game not why are the vast majority of bouncers such douchebags)? Is this normal? I know a lot of states have max bet rules but I don't think Wisconsin is one of them since they spread a $2-$5 NL game. Pato could be so good that it's frustrating to me how poorly run it is. Have not been there in a long time, any bigger games or improvements due to new addition?

This summer I'll be in Shawano, Wisconsin and I'd like to bring some friends and if the games they're spreading is not to our satisfaction then create a new game. I doubt anybody has any knowledge about this casino. It's by Green Bay but isn't Ho Chunk or Oneida or whatever the GB one is called. It's really small - 1 to 2 games. Will they spread whatever I want? More importantly will the GILFs be impressed by my rubber band of 100s?

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[boondockst]

C'mon any "electronics" of any kind are disallowed in the casino. You cant answer a cellphone call while at a penny slot. That place is ridiculous

[Wongboy]

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C'mon any "electronics" of any kind are disallowed in the casino. You cant answer a cellphone call while at a penny slot. That place is ridiculous

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I am surprised that more places have not adopted this policy. The concern is not with the phone so much as it is with the camera. In blackjack, it would be relatively easy to catch the dealers hole card using a camera phone, even if you were not at the table. From there, you just need to develop some basic signals to let your partner at the table know if the dealer will be taking a hit or not. Actually, he really just needs to know if the hole card is a face.

I rarely defend casinos, but I can understand the cell phone ban.

[Nuevo99]

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Potowatomi Casino Milwaukee, WI

This happened a while ago, it was definitely pre-expansion. I ask floor to spread a higher limit NL game, can't remember if it was $5-$10, $10-$20 or $25-$50. There was a dealer sitting at an empty table since it was not at a peak time. The floor still said no and when I can't remember what he answered when I asked why but I can't recall what he said specifically but I recall thinking it was pointless to continue the conversation due to the answer as he seemed to be a glorified bouncer with a bouncer's power loving demeanor. Why is this (that they won't spread this game not why are the vast majority of bouncers such douchebags)? Is this normal? I know a lot of states have max bet rules but I don't think Wisconsin is one of them since they spread a $2-$5 NL game. Pato could be so good that it's frustrating to me how poorly run it is. Have not been there in a long time, any bigger games or improvements due to new addition?

This summer I'll be in Shawano, Wisconsin and I'd like to bring some friends and if the games they're spreading is not to our satisfaction then create a new game. I doubt anybody has any knowledge about this casino. It's by Green Bay but isn't Ho Chunk or Oneida or whatever the GB one is called. It's really small - 1 to 2 games. Will they spread whatever I want? More importantly will the GILFs be impressed by my rubber band of 100s?

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Someone can correct me on this if they are wrong, but the casino does not take in any additional rake for 5-10NL versus 3-5NL, and especially not when you get higher than 5-10NL.

They take in more rake for 15/30 Limit already then they do for that NL game. (when they run it which is rare)

Casinos are in general going to lean more toward limit games than NL, and to run a higher NL game here is useless. For someone to be successful at it, they would need a surplus of $15,000 or more sitting around and Milwaukee has a shortage of those people (much less those who play poker).

Anyone else is just playing on a low bankroll and will run out of money (especially if they are not good which is usually the case).

Versus limit where people can play bad for years and keep coming back because they get lucky once in awhile. That keeps them around to pay more in rake.

Besides, there were 2 of you? So they are going to take the time to unlock the cash box, unbox a new set of cards, inspect them, and whatever else they do to open a table, only to have one of you bust out and maybe they've made what? $12 or so in rake?

Now if it was 20/40 limit you'd have a better argument just because you would have a lot better chance of sticking around a lot longer. (with 2 people)

Also you should go to the Pot just to check it out. The new room is way better (even the biggest critic magoo said that it's the best in the midwest). They have been trying to start more mid-limit games (10/20, 15/30), but the rumor always is that they would like to phase out the NL. The only reason they run it at all is it's very popular still.

[Nuevo99]

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C'mon any "electronics" of any kind are disallowed in the casino. You cant answer a cellphone call while at a penny slot. That place is ridiculous

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Actually they've relaxed that rule now. Maybe you havent been there in awhile.

The only time you cant use the cell phone now is when you are at the poker table (you can step away and use it), and you cant talk loudly on the phone when in the bingo room because then the bingo players complain. (im not sure about table games, if you slow down the game, they might not like that as well, but Ive been walking around the casino with a phone and nobody stopped me)

They did stop some kid from using an iPod a month ago, and mentioned the "electronics" rule, but I think they are just going to try to ban that anyway because any kid with an iPod at a 2/4 or 3/6 game is probally just going to slow the game down because he's not paying attention.

[Nuevo99]

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C'mon any "electronics" of any kind are disallowed in the casino. You cant answer a cellphone call while at a penny slot. That place is ridiculous

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I am surprised that more places have not adopted this policy. The concern is not with the phone so much as it is with the camera. In blackjack, it would be relatively easy to catch the dealers hole card using a camera phone, even if you were not at the table. From there, you just need to develop some basic signals to let your partner at the table know if the dealer will be taking a hit or not. Actually, he really just needs to know if the hole card is a face.

I rarely defend casinos, but I can understand the cell phone ban.

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I bet it's not allowed at the blackjack table for that reason. (not that I tryed)

But they let you use them otherwise now. If you are playing slots I dont think they are going to care.

Im not sure they ever had penny slots though so it's hard to say.... If they ever did, than that person must of been there years ago.

[cardcounter0]

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Potowatomi Casino Milwaukee, WI

This happened a while ago, it was definitely pre-expansion. I ask floor to spread a higher limit NL game, can't remember if it was $5-$10, $10-$20 or $25-$50. There was a dealer sitting at an empty table since it was not at a peak time. The floor still said no and when I can't remember what he answered when I asked why but I can't recall what he said specifically but I recall thinking it was pointless to continue the conversation due to the answer as he seemed to be a glorified bouncer with a bouncer's power loving demeanor. Why is this (that they won't spread this game not why are the vast majority of bouncers such douchebags)? Is this normal? I know a lot of states have max bet rules but I don't think Wisconsin is one of them since they spread a $2-$5 NL game. Pato could be so good that it's frustrating to me how poorly run it is. Have not been there in a long time, any bigger games or improvements due to new addition?

This summer I'll be in Shawano, Wisconsin and I'd like to bring some friends and if the games they're spreading is not to our satisfaction then create a new game. I doubt anybody has any knowledge about this casino. It's by Green Bay but isn't Ho Chunk or Oneida or whatever the GB one is called. It's really small - 1 to 2 games. Will they spread whatever I want? More importantly will the GILFs be impressed by my rubber band of 100s?

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Someone can correct me on this if they are wrong, but the casino does not take in any additional rake for 5-10NL versus 3-5NL, and especially not when you get higher than 5-10NL.

They take in more rake for 15/30 Limit already then they do for that NL game. (when they run it which is rare)

Casinos are in general going to lean more toward limit games than NL, and to run a higher NL game here is useless. For someone to be successful at it, they would need a surplus of $15,000 or more sitting around and Milwaukee has a shortage of those people (much less those who play poker).

Anyone else is just playing on a low bankroll and will run out of money (especially if they are not good which is usually the case).

Versus limit where people can play bad for years and keep coming back because they get lucky once in awhile. That keeps them around to pay more in rake.

Besides, there were 2 of you? So they are going to take the time to unlock the cash box, unbox a new set of cards, inspect them, and whatever else they do to open a table, only to have one of you bust out and maybe they've made what? $12 or so in rake?

Now if it was 20/40 limit you'd have a better argument just because you would have a lot better chance of sticking around a lot longer. (with 2 people)

Also you should go to the Pot just to check it out. The new room is way better (even the biggest critic magoo said that it's the best in the midwest). They have been trying to start more mid-limit games (10/20, 15/30), but the rumor always is that they would like to phase out the NL. The only reason they run it at all is it's very popular still.

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You are also forgetting that with 1 free dealer, what are you going to do when that guy finishes his down and it is time for his break? You going to sit around for 30 mins. waiting for him to come back so the game can resume? What about the dealer that this "free" dealer is going to replace when they rotate out? Is that dealer supposed to not have a break because his replacement is dealing another game? Maybe the floor knows more about running the room than the OP does after all.

[rjoefish]

Even if they allow you to use your cell phone near a table its going to be pretty obvious if you're taking pictures and signaling someone.