*** Official St Louis Cardinals to the 2006 World Series Thread ***

[Schwartzy61]

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Indeed it is, but it's still true.

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And the Yankees are damn near dead even with the Tigers as the best team in the AL???

[Aceshigh7]

Mr. HGH is really tearing it up right now for the Cards. Where would they be without him? It's looking like the Astros might have to settle for the wildcard once again this year.

[Clarkmeister]

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Mr. HGH is really tearing it up right now for the Cards. Where would they be without him? It's looking like the Astros might have to settle for 4th place in the central division.

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[Aceshigh7]

Oh yes, the Reds and the Brewers with their mediocre rotations are such fearsome teams.

[Your Mom]

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Oh yes, the Reds and the Brewers with their mediocre rotations are such fearsome teams.

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same with your team sir.

[PTjvs]

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Scott Rolen 31 yrs old:

1996-2006 (11.5 years)

.286 1398H 245HR 3372B 917RBI 97SB

3 years he played in fewer than 100 games (96, 02, 05).

Rolen has had more than 100 RBI 4 times (104, 107, 110, 124), batted over .300 1 time (.314) and never had more than 174 hits in a season. Scott has topped 30 HR in a season twice (34 & 31), and spots a nice .895 career OPS. He has finished in the top 10 of the MVP voting one time, 4th in 2004.

Rolen is a very fine player, but I really can't see how he can be considered a HoFer in his prime when he is an underdog to make it to 2000 hits or 350 HR.

In this era, he has IMO no more than an outside shot at the HoF, driven mostly by his generally superlative defensive ability at 3B moreso than being a transcendant offensive player.

jvs

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rolen's defense is worth a lot of runs saved each year, and the hall voters love gold gloves. i will admit that he may not make it into the hall (like ron santo, a very similar player), but if he has a normal decline phase, it would be a crime to leave him out.

also, there is no way he's an underdog to get to 2000 hits. before the season began, with his injury concerns, i might have bought into this, but not now.

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He has roughly 1400 hits in his first 11.5 years. At that rate, he'd need to play another 6 years or so to get to 2000 hits, at which point he'd be 37. That's assuming no decline in his skills. He will probably end up not too far from 2,000 one way or the other.

In any event, you are basing a lot of his possible HoF credentials on his glove; they didn't walk Pujol's glove to get to Rolen's glove; they walked his bat to get to Rolen's bat.

That said, I rue the day Cincy DIDN'T go get Rolen from Phi when they had the chance.

jvs

[Clarkmeister]

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Oh yes, the Reds and the Brewers with their mediocre rotations are such fearsome teams.

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Fearsome enough that the Stros are tied with the Brewers and 4 games behind the Reds sucking their exhaust.

[Aceshigh7]

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Oh yes, the Reds and the Brewers with their mediocre rotations are such fearsome teams.

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same with your team sir.

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The Astros rotation has three future hall of famers.

The Reds rotation has one good pitcher (Arroyo) and journeymen like Harang & Milton.

The Brewers would have two very good pitchers if Sheets wasn't hurt all the time. Capuano is very good. The rest? Meh.

[PTjvs]

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Oh yes, the Reds and the Brewers with their mediocre rotations are such fearsome teams.

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If they ever get healthy, I'd much rather have Sheets/Ohka/Capuano/Bush/Davis than the trash Houston has been running out there this year.

I'd rather haven Cincy's rotation too, although that's closer.

You do realize that Houston literally has two starters who haven't been absolutely dreadful so far THIS year, right?

Oswalt is your ace, and he's obviously very good. So far this year, Cincy has 2 starters who have outperformed him.

jvs

[Aceshigh7]

What's today's date? Oh yes, July 16th.