weird donk

[rzk]

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Do any of the river raisers advocate calling a 3bet? For those that don't advocate calling the 3-bet, how often do you actually fold to 3bets in such spots at the table?


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all the time. that's not to say i think it's necessarily correct. but if we have a close call/fold decision that doesn't mean we shouldn't raise in the first place.

[milesdyson]

but

do you really think it is close call/fold though

[rzk]

if i instaraise and he still 3bets, no, i don't think it's close.

if i take my sweet time to raise and he 3bets, i start scratching my head.

what do others think?

[milesdyson]

i think waiting maybe makes a 1% difference overall in terms of how often you're good

[rzk]

hmm, you think instaraising doesn't change the probability that he will attempt a 3bet bluff? that's not a rhetorical question, i really want to know.

[milesdyson]

fwiw i thought you were talkin about it the other way around. when i said 1% i meant i think you're good more often when you wait than when you instantly raise. i think most people see instant raises as strong and delayed raises as possibly weak, ie. "HMM LET ME SEE...... HM... OK I GUESS I RAISE LOL."

[rzk]

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fwiw i thought you were talkin about it the other way around. when i said 1% i meant i think you're good more often when you wait than when you instantly raise. i think most people see instant raises as strong and delayed raises as possibly weak, ie. "HMM LET ME SEE...... HM... OK I GUESS I RAISE LOL."

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i agree that people see instaraises as strong, that's why i want to instaraise this so i can fold to a 3bet more comfortably. but you think an instaraise will not reduce the chance that he'll 3-bet bluff by more than 1%?

btw, what's your line in this hand? call, r/c, or r/f?

[TheHip41]

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if i instaraise and he still 3bets, no, i don't think it's close.

if i take my sweet time to raise and he 3bets, i start scratching my head.

what do others think?

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i still think raise folding JJ on a 54422 board to someone who sucks at poker can't be a valid line here.

If you do raise this river, it's because you can confidently call a 3bet.

This guy can have a 4 here, he can have a slow played better hand, but the hands you are getting value from are A=x

I just think there aren't enough bet/calling hands for the villain here.