5-5 PL Live

[D0p3Ad1c7]

Regular 5-5 PL Dealers Choice game at casino

Been sitting for an hour and a half, all regulars except one unknown (most of the reg's are just there to clean money from dealing drugs, so they gamble it up quite a bit)

SB ( 4K +, He is one of the better players in the game, seen him lose a $3000 pot within last round with set over set and NFD)
BB (5K +, by far the best player in the game, makes living playing 5-5 there)
MPs ( 1K ~ 2K, Unknown's to me, but friends with SB)
Me (CO 1100, I usually play 1-2 DC but having a huge seesion decided to take a shot at 5-5)
Button (1500~, Worst player in the game, got lucky on a few hands and hyped up, raises lots of junk hands AXXX one suit)

Two limpers to me (CO), I call with 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6
[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Button raises to 35
SB reraises to 100
BB folds
One player calls, I call, Button calls

Flop ($405)
5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB check, MP check, I bet 300, BU fold, SB call, MP fold

Turn ( $1005)
10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB check, I...?

Is this a time to put it all in, and hope I dont get called? You can rule out 87xx out of his range due to check on both streets... If he has a heart draw, he cant call a push on the turn... If he has 2P + hearts, well... Im basically dead... Or should I just give up the hand when he calls on the flop?

Thanks ^^

[Chaoslord]

all-in. strong hand would have raised you on the flop he most likely has the nutflushdraw maybe with a big pair, u probably have the best hand here with your 2 pair. if you can rule out 78 you have at least the 2 and maybe the 7 too if behind. all-in all i would say that if called your hand has enough equity and a good chance hes gonna fold.
it would really suck if u check behind, a heart or 7 rolls off and he shoves into you.

[Ribbo]

That flop is not the reason you play 3456 in a multiway pot. That pretty much sums up all you need to know.

[Big Dave D]

Is this a UK game?

You need to take into account what they perceive of you, which in these circumstances, based on what you described, is that you are either a nit or on short money or both. So although it is unlikely, its not completely impossible that your foe has the straight (and is worried about having no improvers) or has a set or higher two pair and is worried about your perceived nit self having the str8.

Based on the fact it is likely your villian is perhaps tilty, I would say that there is very little chance he is going to pass here. In fact, if he has something like AA plus nut flush draw he shouldn't pass, if he knew your hand. So it all comes down to how much you are prepared to suffer the variance of being allin on the turn, and how well you feel you can play a river if its checked. Only you can decide these.

gl

bdd

[D0p3Ad1c7]

I understand that it isnt the best flop for me, but being checked to me, I feel I only have to beat one person (Button) then I should be good with an allin on a blank turn and they have no odds to call with NFD or set...

This isn't a UK game, its a Canadian game, I dunno if that changes anything...? Lol :P

In the little time I've been there, im up 100, showed one potsize bet bluff on the river with a missed full wrap... Other than that BB and SB know me as a solid player, and I know Button from before we started playing poker... Im not really short on money, but it was just my 2nd time in the 5-5 game at that casino... So I wasnt known to most of the table, even though I knew most of them.

If he has AA + NFD.. He SHOULDNT pass to a potsize bet on the turn? Why not... What can he put me on other than a set, or straight... Which means hes not getting odds to call a 700 bet on the turn with NFD (Not including his set giving him a win)...

Basically, if I check behind, and a blank comes on the river, and he checks to me, I check... Theres no reason to put any more money in the pot without some kind of hand..

[Parlay Slow]

all-in

[2handed]

As played go all in. You have about 2/3s of a pot sized bet and almost every river card sucks other than maybe a 5 or a 6, making a river bet hard to call. He doesnt seem too strong, so I would just put it in here a hope for the best.

If I was taking a shot and wasnt bankrolled for the game, I probably would have just checked the flop. As Ribbo said this is not the fop for your hand, and once you commit the 300 it becomes difficult to get away from this, since at least one and usually two of your draws are live (I am counting the fullhouse draw). I would only put the three hundred in on the flop if I was planning on committing the rest on any favorable turn card (like the one you got).

[Big Dave D]

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I understand that it isnt the best flop for me, but being checked to me, I feel I only have to beat one person (Button) then I should be good with an allin on a blank turn and they have no odds to call with NFD or set...

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Live games play very different from online ones. Most online folk go bonkers with the nuts whereas a lot of "old time" players play it more cautiously.

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In the little time I've been there, im up 100, showed one potsize bet bluff on the river with a missed full wrap... Other than that BB and SB know me as a solid player, and I know Button from before we started playing poker... Im not really short on money, but it was just my 2nd time in the 5-5 game at that casino... So I wasnt known to most of the table, even though I knew most of them.

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This would tend to lead them to making the assumptions that I said. Most PLO players are gamblers. But they can be astute too, and most people getting a new face to the game will assume that you are clueless. Especially if they have seen you in the baby game as well.

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If he has AA + NFD.. He SHOULDNT pass to a potsize bet on the turn? Why not... What can he put me on other than a set, or straight... Which means hes not getting odds to call a 700 bet on the turn with NFD (Not including his set giving him a win)...

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And did say *if* he could see your hand. The point is, unless he called the flop ridiculous thin, he is probably calling this turn. Especially, if like a lot of live PLOers, he is an eager tilter.

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Basically, if I check behind, and a blank comes on the river, and he checks to me, I check... Theres no reason to put any more money in the pot without some kind of hand..

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There are not many blanks. The *reason* you should want to get in on the turn is exactly that there are so few blanks. The question is what do you do if he bets.

gl

bdd

[RoundTower]

the flop is not ideal, but you have hit something useful, so I think your flop bet is fine. On the turn I think you have a clear push -- you should have the best hand or the best draw, he might make a bad fold, and the river won't be particularly easy to play.