AKs gets 3-bet by tight tag...wtf?

[sethypooh21]

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meh i think his pf is good vs you

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Are you saying I spew? (on the evidence of this hand, perhaps...)

I mean, it seems RAZOR thin, and if you are a nit, it seems like you are consciously passing up on razor thin edges all the time.

[Scorcho]

He totally set you up after you logged hundreds, maybe thousands of hands of him being a 19/15. All for this very and precise moment in time where you would never put him on A2.

[Apanage]

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Wow. Seriously? Maybe your games are that predictable, but I find it hard to believe you can narrow his donking range down that much. It can't be a flush draw or a 6? Why do you completely discount worse A's? I think that's a huge part of his range.

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Poker is not that hard really. We are assuming that he knows how to play and that he is tight which also often means a bit cautious.Would you donk a flush draw on flop if you were him?
Would you preflop raise with a 6x hand?
Most players are also playing WA/WB from flop and on with an ace against a raiser and especially against a capper.
And if he has AQ,AJ,AT and thinks it is a good idea to make a move (which I wouldn´t think if I were him)why doesn´t he checkraise.It is not like he expects you to check flop behind.

This donk means more than 50% of the time that he can beat top pair so it is just not a good spot to raise anywhere unless you improve.


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Also, if someone donks this flop with a PP, they are almost never going to just fold to a flop raise.

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If they do not intend to fold flop or turn they simply don´t donk flop.Then they check/call down the PP.

[TheHip41]

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He totally set you up after you logged hundreds, maybe thousands of hands of him being a 19/15. All for this very and precise moment in time where you would never put him on A2.

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if a 18-15 raised UTG, that is going to tell you something about his range. when he 3bets a button raise from a laggy player, A2s is well within his range. It's not like we are talking about T4o.

The fact that he bet/3bet the flop means he doesn't care that we have an Ace.

And my talk about folding was just me putting him on a range, and that range has us smashed.

And ppl, do you think nits bet/3bet the turn with AK here? Because they don't.

I think folding the turn after getting 3bet is the right play, I just have never folded there, because I don't raise the turn, because I don't put myself into tough decisions.

[timoK]

I think the point the preflop issue cant be solved easy because:
- it's important what you know about villains stats
- what villains know about your stats
- do you even have a decent samplesize to base your assumption on
- is villain very static (is he 3-betting A2s every time or maybe just 50% of the time to balance things out)

[Apanage]

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I know the results. But I would just call down from flop and on.I don´t even raise flop.
In my games a donk on flop from that kind of player most often means that he can beat top pair and that he wants action.
If it is not a hand that beats top pair then it is more likely a PP looking to bet/fold than it is a worse pair of aces.
Either way I just call down and I don´t feel bad if I would miss a small bet.Because I do that less than 50% of the times.

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Not putting in a raise somewhere is bad. His donk means he has an ace. The consensus is that after he 3b flop, any further action is spewy, which in general, I agree with. However, hands that beat me seem like such a small part of *this* villain's SB 3-bet range that I felt compelled to pop the turn. (He has AQ-AJ much more than A2/A6 here, imo)

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Give me a reason to why villain would think it is a good idea to donk AQ-AT.
As I see it.If he thinks you´re a LAG/TAG that´s capping light he would go for a checkraise.
If he thinks that your capping range is quite narrow which most players capping range are he would play WA/WB.
This of course changes if he has seen you making light flop raises with inferior hands, but I can´t imagine that you do that.Or if you often check flop behind HU when you´re the preflop capper.
I can´t see no reason whatsoever for a thinking villain to donk with a worse hand and that is enough for me to just calldown.
Any TAG player donking this flop has you beaten the majority of time.
It took a while and costed me a lot before I discovered that but I have saved a lot of money since then.
And won a lot more by learning that this donk is a moneymaker against overaggressive players.

[NinaWilliams]

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Give me a reason to why villain would think it is a good idea to donk AQ-AT

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"I have top pair, I bet." No one said this guy was any good. Not putting in a raise here is a big mistake IMO.

[Apanage]

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Give me a reason to why villain would think it is a good idea to donk AQ-AT

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"I have top pair, I bet." No one said this guy was any good. Not putting in a raise here is a big mistake IMO.

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Donking AQ-AT is not just bad.You have to be braindead to do that(maybe excluding AQ if he regards Seth as a light preflop capper and a light flop raiser).
Most nits aren´t braindead and what is more important, they are cautious.
Assuming that players with tight stats are making bad aggressive moves isn´t really a good thing to do.

[danzasmack]

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Give me a reason to why villain would think it is a good idea to donk AQ-AT

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"I have top pair, I bet." No one said this guy was any good. Not putting in a raise here is a big mistake IMO.

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i would donk AQ here sometimes, even playing 1/2. it's not that bad of a play because people don't respond to it well. they make stupid raises with hands like 88 and 33 and stuff thinking that you might have KK because they are gargarmel.

[Apanage]

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Give me a reason to why villain would think it is a good idea to donk AQ-AT

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"I have top pair, I bet." No one said this guy was any good. Not putting in a raise here is a big mistake IMO.

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i would donk AQ here sometimes, even playing 1/2. it's not that bad of a play because people don't respond to it well. they make stupid raises with hands like 88 and 33 and stuff thinking that you might have KK because they are gargarmel.

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Those players would have bet turn or checked turn/called river too.When you 3-bet flop they fold.