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Old 09-19-2007, 02:27 PM
Robin Foolz Robin Foolz is offline
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Default Re: AKs gets 3-bet by tight tag...wtf?

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Oh, agreed, I was more questioning the wisdom of just calling down from the flop donk, which I think is bad.

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oh. didn't read responses cept the last few. ok.
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Old 09-19-2007, 02:27 PM
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the turn is the interesting street. There isn't a card in the deck that I'm raising on the river.

A2 seems like a stretch, even suited.
A6 I guess makes sense, but isn't AQ/AJ more likely or even KK/QQ if he thinks I suck and am overplaying FD?

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Even a 19/15 opens his range up a little bit when you steal OTB a lot. keep that in mind.

As played w/e just don't fold.
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Old 09-19-2007, 02:37 PM
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I know the results. But I would just call down from flop and on.I donīt even raise flop.
In my games a donk on flop from that kind of player most often means that he can beat top pair and that he wants action.
If it is not a hand that beats top pair then it is more likely a PP looking to bet/fold than it is a worse pair of aces.
Either way I just call down and I donīt feel bad if I would miss a small bet.Because I do that less than 50% of the times.

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Wow. Seriously? Maybe your games are that predictable, but I find it hard to believe you can narrow his donking range down that much. It can't be a flush draw or a 6? Why do you completely discount worse A's? I think that's a huge part of his range.

Also, if someone donks this flop with a PP, they are almost never going to just fold to a flop raise.

You are basically playing WA/WB, but you are WA of every hand except AA, 66, possibly A6 or A2, and flush draws. You are letting AQ, AJ, AT off the hook way too easy here.

The only reason I can see to just call this flop is to pop the turn. (Which I think is better than raising the flop on this board, btw)
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:08 PM
vmacosta vmacosta is offline
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Default Re: AKs gets 3-bet by tight tag...wtf?

I'd rather cap the flop than raise the turn. I'd also rather raise the river than raise the turn. Don't think I'd do any of those though cuz I always get shown a set or AK after he 3-bets the flop.

I used to fold A2s/A3s in that spot but I've been stoving and against a 45+ ASB its got equity edge. RIOs are pretty crappy though if the button will raise lots of draws on the flop. Think I'll continue to fold it for now unless I suspect ASB > 50.
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:13 PM
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AK, A6, A2, A7, 66, 22.



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I agree with four of those. I don't think most will 3 bet A2 preflop. And with A7 he probably would not 3 bet the flop.
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: AKs gets 3-bet by tight tag...wtf?

my pokertracker shows a guy named sethypook21 with 1464 hands and an Att to steal blinds with 42%

A2 has 50% equity against a 40% stealer.

borderline spot (for sure for a 19/15 nit) but villain played just solid postflop, didnt he?
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:59 PM
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my pokertracker shows a guy named sethypook21 with 1464 hands and an Att to steal blinds with 42%

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Busted! (See undertitle)

This is so one of those spots where straight EQ calc tells you nothing. I can't imagine a worse RIO spot than A2 oop vs. a competent (?), aggro player.
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Old 09-19-2007, 04:04 PM
Heisenb3rg Heisenb3rg is offline
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Default Re: AKs gets 3-bet by tight tag...wtf?

BTW ive seen carlogs (it was him right?) only get out of line once and it was really strange.

I cant remember PF action
he c/r me on a Txx board
Turn is a Q (I had KQ) I raise, he calls
river is a total blank and he check/raises me

Even tho this card shouldnt have helped him at all, I was so "this is cardlogs... wtf....." almost timed out and called.

He showed AT

????
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Old 09-19-2007, 04:08 PM
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my pokertracker shows a guy named sethypook21 with 1464 hands and an Att to steal blinds with 42%

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Busted! (See undertitle)

This is so one of those spots where straight EQ calc tells you nothing. I can't imagine a worse RIO spot than A2 oop vs. a competent (?), aggro player.

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meh i think his pf is good vs you
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Old 09-19-2007, 04:30 PM
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BTW ive seen carlogs (it was him right?)

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No.
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