Is it possible to beat live low limit Omaha/8 ?

[Detectorist]

I've got about 100 hours this time around playing 2/4 at the local card rooms. I believe I play very well with good hand selection and great lay downs and have played mostly very looose tables. After taking on a few bad beats I'm dead even. What's the lowest limit a good player can expect to beat considering the rake?

Thanks for the helpful comments..

[WMB]

How many hours have you played?

[TMTTR]

What is the rake?

Rake is tough to beat in many low limit games. Given that the pots are split, and assuming the house is taking a big bet (or more) out of most pots, I wouldn't expect to do much better than even at 2/4. Some of the rake effect may be offset by the looseness of the tables...

Some advise that is always good is even more appropriate in a game like this:

(1) Play premium hands only.

(2) Only continue after the flop if you have or you are drawing to the nuts.

(3) Unless the pot is already inflated (or likely to be due to multiway action) do not draw to half the pot EVEN IF drawing to the nuts.

[franknagaijr]

I was playing 2/4 O8 the other day, and came up with this break-even point.

5 people limp.
3 stay to the river with bets on every street
two chop.
After rake, jackpot and tip, profit is 3$ for the choppers.

You'd need a lot of scoopers to beat this game.

[BradleyT]

[ QUOTE ]
I was playing 2/4 O8 the other day, and came up with this break-even point.

5 people limp.
3 stay to the river with bets on every street
two chop.
After rake, jackpot and tip, profit is 3$ for the choppers.

You'd need a lot of scoopers to beat this game.

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You need to raise PF to beat that game.

[doylefish]

Raising your big hands PF is where the money is.

And you want callers. The more the better.

[chillrob]

I would not bother trying to make money playing O8 at 2/4 live. Some places even rake more for an O8 game, I guess because it is more trouble to deal and fewer hands per hour. Which of course means even if you are making a profit you are making it more slowly. And considering the number of chopped pots, if you are toking $1 for winning half a pot, there goes another decent amount of your potential profit. Not even sure that 2/4 Holdem is worth playing for the money, but pretty sure that 2/4 O8 would be worse. I don't think I have ever seen O8 spread lower than 3/6, and I really thought that was too low to bother with.

[Truthiness24]

I've played a few sessions of 3/5 O8 in FL since they (slightly) raised the limits. It is really hard to beat the $5 rake but I think it can be done if you're interested in playing to make $10-20 an hour. But don't expect to beat the rake at all unless you're really good and the table is really loose. You have to leave if you aren't getting 5 or more to the flop in your raised pots -- frank is totally correct.

Raise from any position with any playing hand. Play fast and loose or don't play. You will get enough callers to justify.

Don't play this way ever against tables full of people who know what they are doing or online at similar limits. (For practice, you could try this at .02/.04 limit.)

[fishyak]

I've got about the same # of hrs. @ 3/6 full kill @ Commerce. I am down $177 YTD on 15 winning and 16 losing sessions. I am new to O/8 and most my opponents are not. My most interesting stat may be variance, which falls right in line with my variance figures for LHE games from 2/4-4/8. Variance has run about 6.6BB/hr.

I see nothing out of line with my statistics to lead me to believe the long term stats for O/8 would be significantly different than the stats for LHE. Our good performer standard for LHE is 1-2BB/hr.

While I have not beaten 3/6 O/8, I have beaten 2/4 LHE for 3BB/hr. over 73 hrs. this year and that includes a nasty rake at Commerce. In theory, a split pot should not make any difference because you should win 1/2 twice as often. But it is clear that raising PF to build larger pots with quality hands and really pressing your scoop hands are the keys to performing well at low limit O/8.

[chillrob]

Don't forget, a split pot does make a difference if you are tipping the same amount when winning half a pot that you would to win a whole pot in holdem.