nl400 two river hands

kaah · #1 10-03-2007, 10:08 AM

hand #1
villan is LOL 50/8/1.6 260 hands has a big stack, rasies 25-30 preflop. Has been playing more aggro than normal this session (running hawt? idk)

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
LE HERO: $432.40
CO: $683.05
Button: $2.256.85
SB: $480.00
BB: $382.90

Pre-flop: (5 players) LE HERO is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
LE HERO raises to $14, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($58, 4 players)
BB checks, LE HERO bets $48, CO folds, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($154, 2 players)
LE HERO checks, Button checks.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($154, 2 players)
LE HERO bets $70, Button raises to $200

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Hand2 vill 35/15/1.7 at 76 hands been calling in the blinds alot and checkcalling the flops.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $395.90
LE HERO: $494.30
Button: $631.95
SB: $382.00
BB: $374.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) LE HERO is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, LE HERO raises to $17, Button calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($44, 2 players)
LE HERO bets $35, Button calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($114, 2 players)
LE HERO checks, Button checks.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($114, 2 players)
LE HERO bets $50, Button raises to $150

mikeysong · #2 10-03-2007, 10:10 AM

hand 1 I fold. 8c completes draws

hand 2 - why didn't u bet the turn? As played, unless this guy's a maniac, I really think u can muck here.

kaah · #3 10-03-2007, 10:23 AM

I check the turn on hand 2 to
Keep the pot small.
My hand is pretty transparent if I bet.
If he calls we have a mediumpot on the river and showdown might be more expensive than I want it to be.
If he raises river ½pot bet he has be beat.

Thats how I thougt and generally think in these situations , comments on my thinking aswell please [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

mikey
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...c=#Post12341900

your own hand.. same deal(almost) but the riverfold would be less expensive

mikeysong · #4 10-03-2007, 10:30 AM

mb this is my limit mentality speaking but on the turn, we've got the 2nd nut flush and shouldn't we be value betting this versus his range of possible flushes?

let's say he pops turn

is it bad to b/c turn and c/f river? I would think a lot of people have trouble firing that river AI bet when we just b/c'd the turn.

JFsports · #5 10-03-2007, 10:36 AM

1 ugh. Cos he's such a moron and cos the pot odds are really good, I call. I think he has enough worse 2 pairs, bluffs, or other moron-hands to justify it.

2 Meh, probably fold.
I would bet turn (doesn't matter if your hand is transparent, from his stats and your comments he seems bad, so you could turn over the Ks and he will still call with Qs), and with turn as played I would bet 100 on river.

kaah · #6 10-03-2007, 10:40 AM

I should have bet the turn for the reason that he called alot of flops. Other than that I like my lines here.

Ofcourse you should mix it up thou but my question is "as played.."

Nick Royale · #7 10-03-2007, 10:40 AM

First hand. I think his fftcb is relevant. He's calling a c-bet in a 4-way pot, which probably would mean he has a decent draw or Qx maybe Jx. Most draws hit on the turn. So unless he frequently calls c-bets I don't see what hands he could bluff with (KT maybe) and most of his remaining range has sd value.

You're getting great odds though, so i think it's close.

Nick Royale · #8 10-03-2007, 10:43 AM

Second hand. I think checking the turn is ok since you're not likely having 2 streets of value vs worse, you might induce a bluff etc.

I paying off the river.

ChrisV · #9 10-03-2007, 11:45 AM

First hand bet a bit more on the river so it doesn't look like such a blocking bet. I'd bet 100. But yeah, I fold.

Second hand same story, I bet like 80, but as played fold.

Borned_Luckbox1 · #10 10-03-2007, 11:47 AM

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I check the turn on hand 2 to
My hand is pretty transparent if I bet.

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Gimmick?
You will bet this turn alot of the time as a bluff.