Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)

[traz]

How is that dumb?

I don't understand how you can keep blaming people for being lynched when you get lynched every game. Try validating your statements kyro

[traz]

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Also, traz should be shot for acting the exact same way in prisoners as he did in this game

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Thats pretty much the goal of the game I think :P

[Nicholasp27]

i've stated that i need to be less wolfy on many occassions

that still doesn't change the fact that u've called me a wolf at least 13 of the last 15 games and i've been a wolf maybe 3-4 times

[traz]

actually nich, the vast majority of the times I call you a wolf, I'm actually a wolf. But by endgame, you don't realise it, so in your head you think I always call you a wolf.

[Nicholasp27]

also, i didn't blame anyone for lynching me

i stated that my afkness was the cause and i apologized

i am just pointing out that u/zurvan shoulda been the other target instead of everyone thinking u2 were clear considering that no 'confirmed' was eaten 3 nights ago

[Nicholasp27]

no, traz

u have called me a wolf as a wolf like 4 times recently

but u have also called me a wolf as a villager when i was a villager at least 7 or 8 times recently


it doesn't matter too much, tho...as when u call me a wolf, the village doesn't jump onto me like they do when u call others a wolf because they know u aren't great at reading me

[traz]

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i am just pointing out that u/zurvan shoulda been the other target instead of everyone thinking u2 were clear considering that no 'confirmed' was eaten 3 nights ago

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And like I'm saying, that is just wrong. Herbie shoulda been the other target, not me or zurvan.

[Nicholasp27]

unless someone is 100% seer cleared, they should be a target

u were not 100% seer cleared

thus, u are a target

and the fact that villagers were treating u/stephen/zurvan as 'confirmed' means wolves shoulda eaten the 3 of u

ESPECIALLY when stephen was 100% right on sights so the wolves were REALLY WANTING to eat him

however, they couldn't as then they'd have to eat zurvan and then that'd leave traz exposed

the fact that they waited to eat the seer should be weighted pretty strongly...thus u2 shoulda been targets

[traz]

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the fact that they waited to eat the seer should be weighted pretty strongly...thus u2 shoulda been targets

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The logical conclusion here is that the seer was WRONG. Anyone in zurvan's shoes would have thought the same way. You can't see it if you're not in his shoes. Period. Even stephen thought he was wrong.

[fnord_too]

Nailing traz was virtually impossible. Kyro not being a useful seer but having 3 (confirmed) out of 4 peeks, with the last not looking wolfy, pretty much sewed the game up. I don't think the wolves absolutely have to kill a confirmed since the difference is getting to a final three with one confirmed or no confirmeds, it is not a lock (I think, I don't recall count details fully, but if all three are truly confirmed not killing one does not lead to a forced win since there were three 'unknowns' anyway out of five when the must lynch happened.)

Also, I did not think the neil attack by traz was too over the top, becuase he was just getting wolfier and wolfier as the game went on. The books defense was a bit iffy, but books was taking a villagerish posture, he just had too many likely seers peek him. I could so easily buy a villager traz disregarding all the peek info at that point.

This game came down to rand and kyro.

If it runs again, I may rethink peek strategy some (when to reveal). I think re-peeks should not automatically be the same as the first peek, though. That just gives the wolves so much play and is the only real reason why coming out immediately with peeks may not be best (unless I am missing something in my internal analysis). (Basically, if I have peeked x,y, and z, and now 6 other players are dead, my potential peeks are so limitted screwing with them is a high probability option for the wolves.)

I have a few thoughts on rules tweaks, so if you do run it again I will think more about them.