SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV 2007 (nc)

[Fabian]

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I really thought it was great reasoning. I'm not sure if the call itself is profitable at NL200 or below (I can't remember the exact bet on the river you had to call, I'm going to look at it again later). I just think at the lower stakes, so many bad players play mid pps like that. They see overcards on the flop but think, maybe he's just C-betting, pick up a draw on the turn, and then decide to turn their hand into a bluff the river.

Still, very nice hand...it shows the type of reasoning we all need to develop to move up in stakes.

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I think you're confused here, maybe you're not remembering the hand correctly? If he's betting pocket sevens with a diamond (7 high flush), it certainly isn't as a bluff, it's for value. And I feel pretty confident when I say that this guy doesn't value bet hands like that. There is no chance he's trying to "bluff" with something like that because he knows I'm folding an 8 high flush exactly never.

[LearnedfromTV]

i'm so good

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($193.70)
MP ($85.15)
CO ($145.85)
Hero ($255.55)
SB ($198)
BB ($104.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $17.

Flop: ($51) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($51) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $70</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $231.55</font>, CO calls $51.85 (All-In).

River: ($294.70) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $294.70

Results below:
CO has Jc Qd (straight, ace high).
Hero has Ah Kd (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: CO wins $294.70. Hero wins $109.70.

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That's 8 days?

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I only play 2-3 tables at a time [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[XHitman014]

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I really thought it was great reasoning. I'm not sure if the call itself is profitable at NL200 or below (I can't remember the exact bet on the river you had to call, I'm going to look at it again later). I just think at the lower stakes, so many bad players play mid pps like that. They see overcards on the flop but think, maybe he's just C-betting, pick up a draw on the turn, and then decide to turn their hand into a bluff the river.

Still, very nice hand...it shows the type of reasoning we all need to develop to move up in stakes.

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I think you're confused here, maybe you're not remembering the hand correctly? If he's betting pocket sevens with a diamond (7 high flush), it certainly isn't as a bluff, it's for value. And I feel pretty confident when I say that this guy doesn't value bet hands like that. There is no chance he's trying to "bluff" with something like that because he knows I'm folding an 8 high flush exactly never.

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I'm definitely going to review it...perhaps I am a little confused.

The point I meant to make, however, was that a lot of villians at NL100/NL200 have no clue WHY they're betting the river...be it for value or for bluff. Villians in lower stakes would make that river bet with the 2 of diamonds.

[DLG]

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That's 8 days?

[/ QUOTE ]we don't all 8 table for 6 hours a day [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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That's right. I 4-table 12 hours a day. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[spivey]

Folds we hate to make but think we should? I really wanted to call this because I was on a losing day.

Full Tilt Poker Game #4101621586: Table Reflex (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:45:58 ET - 2007/11/07
Seat 1: thesheriff4 ($404)
Seat 2: paopucks ($391.70)
Seat 3: spiveydinho ($472.50)
Seat 4: turtlepowa ($357.85)
Seat 5: The LA Mike ($595.20)
Seat 6: DueceFourOff ($388.50)
turtlepowa posts the small blind of $2
The LA Mike posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to spiveydinho [Qs Qd]
DueceFourOff has 15 seconds left to act
DueceFourOff folds
thesheriff4 folds
paopucks raises to $14
spiveydinho raises to $48
turtlepowa has 15 seconds left to act
turtlepowa raises to $357.85, and is all in
The LA Mike folds
paopucks folds
spiveydinho has 15 seconds left to act
spiveydinho has requested TIME
spiveydinho folds
Uncalled bet of $309.85 returned to turtlepowa
turtlepowa mucks
turtlepowa wins the pot ($114)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $114 | Rake $0
Seat 1: thesheriff4 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: paopucks folded before the Flop
Seat 3: spiveydinho (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: turtlepowa (small blind) collected ($114), mucked
Seat 5: The LA Mike (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: DueceFourOff didn't bet (folded)

Guy just sat down a little bit ago, I was playing aggro but mainly before he had arrived.

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I don't mind a fold readless. But I haven't played NL400 either and I'm under the impression that QQ is close to the nuts preflop?

[spivey]

I'd always go all in with QQ if the first better there pushed. But cold 4 bet shoves are quite scary.

[nuggetz87]

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for a while now i haven't been checking the cashier while i play

i just check at the end of the session after closing all my tables

today is the second day now where i thought i was about even but was actually up quite a bit

best feeling eva

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lol welcome to like last year noob. but eventually you get so good at keeping track in your head there are no big surprises unless you play either a. more tables than you are used to or b. much longer session than you are used to

[tannenj]

brag: snowbank-esque day
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