donk bets confuse me.

beanwater · #1 07-19-2007, 07:37 PM

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

yourface · #2 07-19-2007, 07:40 PM

raise that river yo, you're ahead most of the time

danzasmack · #3 07-19-2007, 07:43 PM

holy mackeral.

River is an easy raise. The rest you can decide based on your read. My default is to pop the flop or turn. I don't bet the river unless I make a straight or a flush.

MartynasD · #4 07-19-2007, 08:19 PM

i like to raise flop,but calling him down ok,u can get him bluffing with nothig or whorst flush drow
but river it`s clear R A I S E
if u don`t u lost 1BB

kimchi · #5 07-19-2007, 08:35 PM

I'd raise that turn. He's more likely to be betting a flush draw so make him pay. Unimproved you can check behind on the river.

milesdyson · #6 07-19-2007, 08:51 PM

dang i'd never raise the flop or turn here without a read - especially the turn. is it me or is that just incredibly awful?

jstill · #7 07-19-2007, 08:58 PM

I dont think so miles

i didnt realize we made a straight at first and thought people were sayin bluff raise the river UI.. i was like wow do i suck or are they F'ing with OP?

rivers an ez raise call yo

edit: as i posted this i timed out with KK in the wsex vip tourney vs a utg raise..... damnit why didnt the software pop the table up or make it blink in the taskbar or something. worst is on that site it shows the cards u fold after theyre mucked, if it didnt I could have just assumed i had crap and probably never would have checked.

kimchi · #8 07-20-2007, 12:16 AM

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dang i'd never raise the flop or turn here without a read - especially the turn. is it me or is that just incredibly awful?

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We have 9 outs to the nut flush, another 3 for a 6-high straight. If an A falls, we might be good too.

If the donk is semi-bluffing a flush draw, we're already ahead. If he's trying to protect a pair, he might dump it to a turn raise.

All this warrants a turn raise imo, and even if we don't make a straight, flush, or pair our ace on the river, a check behind could still win a pot from his busted draw.

Please correct my rationale if you can.

(of course, I'd [censored] my pants if he re-raised me on the turn - happened last night and I missed all my draws (again)).

TheHip41 · #9 07-20-2007, 02:08 AM

call flop

call turn

raise river

milesdyson · #10 07-20-2007, 02:31 AM

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dang i'd never raise the flop or turn here without a read - especially the turn. is it me or is that just incredibly awful?

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We have 9 outs to the nut flush, another 3 for a 6-high straight. If an A falls, we might be good too.

If the donk is semi-bluffing a flush draw, we're already ahead. If he's trying to protect a pair, he might dump it to a turn raise.

All this warrants a turn raise imo, and even if we don't make a straight, flush, or pair our ace on the river, a check behind could still win a pot from his busted draw.

Please correct my rationale if you can.

(of course, I'd [censored] my pants if he re-raised me on the turn - happened last night and I missed all my draws (again)).

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my thoughts -

1. my equity is not that high against his range, therefore i don't want any more bets to go in than need be while i am most likely drawing.
2. no one folds pairs so i'm not going to try to fold pairs.