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05-23-2007, 11:53 PM
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i fold tp + oesd, is okay?
1/2 fullring
9 players Converter button is a tag, no read on utg+1. is this totally standard? fold pf the second time? lead flop? ck/3bet flop? Pre-flop: (9 players) hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, 4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button caps</font>, 2 folds, hero calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (13.5SB, 3 players) hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, Button calls, hero calls. Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (11.25BB, 3 players) hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, hero folds <font color="#cc0000"> 
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#2
05-24-2007, 12:02 AM
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Re: i fold tp + oesd, is okay?
A giant tag or just a regular tag? In other words, what have you seen him 3-bet with? I wouldn't be surprised if you were chasing a 3-outer to a split on the turn if you weren't already drawing dead. If he is really tight I could see letting this go pre-flop.
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#3
05-24-2007, 12:03 AM
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Re: i fold tp + oesd, is okay?
like standardish 18/13 tag from what i can tell. only 300ish hands in the datamined read and not a lot of table experience with him.
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#5
05-24-2007, 12:52 AM
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Re: i fold tp + oesd, is okay?
wow fold preflop instantly. you raised UTG and were 3-bet by the next earliest player, and the only guy at the table who knows/cares what this means then capped. super easy fold with KQo.
postflop is fine.
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#8
05-24-2007, 02:08 AM
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Re: i fold tp + oesd, is okay?
another in the fold pre flop camp ...
fold flop
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#9
05-24-2007, 02:08 AM
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Re: i fold tp + oesd, is okay?
Would you cold call KQo pre-flop as your first action against an early position raise? If not, why call when you have raised and it is four back to you? Two players have seen your EP raise and have capped anyway, so I would drop the hand like a shot. On the flop AK has now made a straight, you are dominated by AQ and behind AA-1010. If you are behind KK and the ace completes your straight, you are only chopping. A diamond on the turn or river could give someone a flush. Even if you hit your straight, you are likely to be chopping with anyone holding a King. Unless you think it is possible that both opponents will bet like this with pocket pairs of 99 or less, which seems pretty unlikely, I think that you have to fold when it is two bets back to you on the flop. Definitely fold the turn.
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#10
05-24-2007, 02:12 AM
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Re: i fold tp + oesd, is okay?
Usually I throw it away preflop but if the table is allowing this I'll raise it up but definately fold when you have to call 2 bets. I cringe just looking at the call.
On the turn I think at best your drawing to three aces for a split but most of the time you are already drawing dead so I like the fold. On the flop I really don't know, I'm pretty sure while playing I always make that call but once I look at it from here it almsot seems like a fold. Fold preflop...fold turn
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