JJ: overpair facing a turn shove from PF 3betor

usha · #1 09-15-2007, 07:44 AM

This is a 5/45 SnG.

Do you like the turn call?
When he shoved turn it seemed too much like AKcc. I don't think QQ+ is shoving this turn, even though he commits himself with any turn bet.

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Hero (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, 4 folds, Hero calls t60, SB raises to t100, BB calls t80, UTG+1 calls t40, Hero calls t40.

Flop: (t400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t200, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t200.

Turn: (t800) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t1200 (All-In), Hero calls t1200 (All-In).

levAA · #2 09-15-2007, 08:10 AM

looks good

donquay · #3 09-15-2007, 02:29 PM

I'd spite call just because of that retarded pf 3-bet

hamnegger · #4 09-15-2007, 03:06 PM

i think he could have almost anything but i think you are beat.

usha · #5 09-15-2007, 06:55 PM

Results

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Hero (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, 4 folds, Hero calls t60, SB raises to t100, BB calls t80, UTG+1 calls t40, Hero calls t40.

Flop: (t400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t200, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t200.

Turn: (t800) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t1200 (All-In), Hero calls t1200 (All-In).

River: (t3200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t3200

Results in white below: 
SB has Th Ts (two pair, tens and sevens).
Hero has Jd Js (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t3200.

erc007 · #6 09-15-2007, 07:25 PM

[ QUOTE ]
This is a 5/45 SnG.

Do you like the turn call?
When he shoved turn it seemed too much like AKcc. I don't think QQ+ is shoving this turn, even though he commits himself with any turn bet.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, 4 folds, Hero calls t60, SB raises to t100, BB calls t80, UTG+1 calls t40, Hero calls t40.

Flop: (t400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t200, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t200.

Turn: (t800) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t1200 (All-In), Hero calls t1200 (All-In).

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It's so hard to put SB on a reasonable range here, with his ridic RR pre and his weak flop lead. Some weaker players play AA;KK like this, but there can be a lot of other hands in his range as well. Did u consider raising the flop? Calling is def the better play against a good player, and since BB+UTG+1 folded, u don't have to protect against draws. The turn shove looks more like a scared/misplayed overpair than a semi-bluff, but i think you have to call.