20/40 foxwoods, flop spot

[Garland]

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I like a raise.

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Just out of curiosity, do you like to play online or live more? I'm thinking this might be another hand where the environment makes the difference in the decision.

Garland

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Let's put it like this, I'm no LAG, but my range here with two retards limping in, my SB and a decent BB I don't want in my pot: A9s, ATo, JTs, 88 and up.

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But how many of these hands are you leading the flop with, against 4 players?

[andyfox]

Why?

[Scary_Tiger]

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I like a raise.

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Just out of curiosity, do you like to play online or live more? I'm thinking this might be another hand where the environment makes the difference in the decision.

Garland

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Like all my experience is online. It does depend entirely on the guy in the SB. For me to consider him TAG, the table would have to consider him LAG.

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I like a raise.

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a raise says "I have an 8" or "I need to raise to see where I stand" or "I have to protect my hand" - take your pick, you might as well turn your hand over.

Not sure why everyone wants to fold, this is an easy call for me, much easier call than raise.

[Garland]

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Not sure why everyone wants to fold, this is an easy call for me, much easier call than raise.

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What exactly do you think taggy SB has? And if you call and everyone else folds, are you calling the turn and river as well? Are you folding to a single raise in the field?

One of the reasons you can call 68s in the big blind given 7:1 and poor relative position is that you can make proper decisions after the flop. You're not closing the action, and SB likely has you smashed.

Also, simply calling opens the door to gutshot draws.

If you can make a claim that SB is weak-tight and will fold the turn putting you on a Q, that is advanced, but the only way I'm possibly smoothcalling.

Garland

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What exactly do you think taggy SB has? And if you call and everyone else folds, are you calling the turn and river as well? Are you folding to a single raise in the field?


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a ton of A high hands, 66, 55, etc are all within the villain's range as well as hands that crush the hero. I call and re-evaluate on the turn, chances are this hand will get HU and if it doesn't the hero is likely crushed. Hero has around 47% equity vs the villains range, I am not folding here so lightly if its heads-up, I'll wait to re-evaluate.

Of course I fold to a raise in the field.

[Garland]

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a ton of A high hands, 66, 55, etc are all within the villain's range as well as hands that crush the hero.

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Therein lies the disparity. I don’t feel a taggy SB is raising 55, 66 or a “bunch of A highs”. You’re going against AK or AJ if lucky.

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Hero has around 47% equity vs the villains range, I am not folding here so lightly if its heads-up, I'll wait to re-evaluate.

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Another problem is you're not heads up--there are two people after you, and you're ignoring the field's equity. The fact SB is continuation betting in a field of four heightens his range.

Garland

[ProfessorBen]

For all of you saying we should fold, is your answer different with A8 here?

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a ton of A high hands, 66, 55, etc are all within the villain's range as well as hands that crush the hero.

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There in lies the disparity. I don’t feel a taggy SB is raising 55, 66 or a “bunch of A highs”. You’re going against AK or AJ if lucky.

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I determined the range vs the SB because its unlikely we will see a caller, and if we do we are done with the hand. If the hand is HU its likely we will win vs a TAG unless he holds AQ, KQ, AA or KK, your hand is going to look like a monster.