MEH FEH BLEH

[Requin]

Yes, AT and KT are definately raise/folding.

[Ship Ship McGipp]

man this situation sucks WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than people are giving it credit for, but i think yous till have to shove if he's good bc his bluff frequency could be high ish on this flop

[Woolygimp]

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Yes, AT and KT are definately raise/folding.

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are you being sarcastic?

You stack off with AT vs a 3-bet on this board, esp given PF action?

Those are the only two non-bluff hands that we beat. We lose to AA/KK/TT/QJ. We beat KT/AT. We are slightly ahead of hands that he would semi-bluff here with, although the frequency that he'd raise right here with something other than one of the hands mentioned above is in question.

[lassie]

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no, i get what you're saying, but are we ever folding this hand?

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No we are not but we wanna give him some more robe to hang himself.

He is bluffing here VERY often in my experience.
With these STACKSIZES on this BOARD, he would've made a bigger raise with both strong hands like sets or a straight (protecting his hand,scarecards,blablabla) or with flushdraws cause he want's FE and to price himself in.

[Colombo]

Everytime I'm in this situation I shove, and everytime I lose to QJ or TT. to be honest I just dont see people raising this flop with Ax, even if x is a T. So he's gotta be bluffing sometimes to make this a shove. I mean, I always shove this but I think its alot closer than what some think.

[jfish]

its definitely close, but shove it up

[Unknown Soldier]

def close

lassie, my point is that he's going to continue with a bluff far too rarely to bother letting him hang himself. So if we're not folding, shoving is best now in case a scare card hits and chases away the hands we beat

[Woolygimp]

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def close

lassie, my point is that he's going to continue with a bluff far too rarely to bother letting him hang himself. So if we're not folding, shoving is best now in case a scare card hits and chases away the hands we beat

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What hands that you crush are going to call a 3-bet AI?

I can't think of any, maybe you can help me out.

[lassie]

If we got him beat here he probably doesn't have more than 2 outs so Im not really worried about protecting my hand here, that a scarecard will fall and let him get away, etcetc

Actually I'd like a scarecard to fall since his bluff frequency then obv goes up

[Jinx]

call and spike an ace