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08-04-2007, 07:00 PM
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ZJ, Posting in SMP will not take the place of a real college education. B [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but having a 3 digit IQ (or even a 2 digit one for that matter) puts me leaps and bounds ahead of you. 
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08-04-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: Harris Vs Sullivan - Atheism vs Catholocism
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[ QUOTE ] ZJ, Posting in SMP will not take the place of a real college education. B [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but having a 3 digit IQ (or even a 2 digit one for that matter) puts me leaps and bounds ahead of you. [/ QUOTE ] College is pretty overrated anyway
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08-04-2007, 07:23 PM
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You are missing the point. Even religious people believe that a newborn is not smart enough to comprehend the idea of a God. Therefore, he is atheist (by at least one of the definitions of the word) for at least some short portion of his life. Whether or not he goes to heaven is not relevant to Zeno's point. [/ QUOTE ] No, you are missing the point & it's very relavent. Children can not & are not atheists. Jesus promised children eternal life if they die before they are intellectually mature. They haven't denied the existence of God as Atheists do. Any contortion of that is baloney & is completely false. Why would God accept an atheist into the kingdom of heaven?? nonrelevant portion deleted by Rduke55
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08-04-2007, 07:36 PM
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ZJ, aren't you that guy who cheated a bunch of folks in some online tournaments?? Say...do you know Dutch Boyd. Maybe you two should get together & compare notes. [/ QUOTE ] Unfair,how about "judge not'? "Who of you will throw the first stone"?
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08-04-2007, 07:39 PM
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[ QUOTE ] You are missing the point. Even religious people believe that a newborn is not smart enough to comprehend the idea of a God. Therefore, he is atheist (by at least one of the definitions of the word) for at least some short portion of his life. Whether or not he goes to heaven is not relevant to Zeno's point. [/ QUOTE ] No, you are missing the point & it's very relavent. Children can not & are not atheists. Jesus promised children eternal life if they die before they are intellectually mature. They haven't denied the existence of God as Atheists do. Any contortion of that is baloney & is completely false. Why would God accept an atheist into the kingdom of heaven?? ZJ, aren't you that guy who cheated a bunch of folks in some online tournaments?? Say...do you know Dutch Boyd. Maybe you two should get together & compare notes. [/ QUOTE ] all children are born theists? or Christians specifically? either way, it's absurd. it doesn't even make sense...all children are born atheists...all that that means is that, when they are born, they do not, at that moment, hold a belief in a god or gods..do you actually deny this?
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08-04-2007, 07:46 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You are missing the point. Even religious people believe that a newborn is not smart enough to comprehend the idea of a God. Therefore, he is atheist (by at least one of the definitions of the word) for at least some short portion of his life. Whether or not he goes to heaven is not relevant to Zeno's point. [/ QUOTE ] No, you are missing the point & it's very relavent. Children can not & are not atheists. Jesus promised children eternal life if they die before they are intellectually mature. They haven't denied the existence of God as Atheists do. Any contortion of that is baloney & is completely false. Why would God accept an atheist into the kingdom of heaven?? ZJ, aren't you that guy who cheated a bunch of folks in some online tournaments?? Say...do you know Dutch Boyd. Maybe you two should get together & compare notes. [/ QUOTE ] all children are born theists? or Christians specifically? either way, it's absurd. it doesn't even make sense...all children are born atheists...all that that means is that, when they are born, they do not, at that moment, hold a belief in a god or gods..do you actually deny this? [/ QUOTE ] no, he's thinking all atheists deny the existence of god. no infants deny the existence of god. therefore no infants are atheists.
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08-04-2007, 07:49 PM
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Children can not & are not atheists. Jesus promised children eternal life if they die before they are intellectually mature. They haven't denied the existence of God as Atheists do. Any contortion of that is baloney & is completely false. Why would God accept an atheist into the kingdom of heaven?? [/ QUOTE ] jesus said all children go to heaven no atheists go to heaven therefore no children are atheists. why else would he include the last sentence?
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08-04-2007, 07:50 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You are missing the point. Even religious people believe that a newborn is not smart enough to comprehend the idea of a God. Therefore, he is atheist (by at least one of the definitions of the word) for at least some short portion of his life. Whether or not he goes to heaven is not relevant to Zeno's point. [/ QUOTE ] No, you are missing the point & it's very relavent. Children can not & are not atheists. Jesus promised children eternal life if they die before they are intellectually mature. They haven't denied the existence of God as Atheists do. Any contortion of that is baloney & is completely false. Why would God accept an atheist into the kingdom of heaven?? ZJ, aren't you that guy who cheated a bunch of folks in some online tournaments?? Say...do you know Dutch Boyd. Maybe you two should get together & compare notes. [/ QUOTE ] all children are born theists? or Christians specifically? either way, it's absurd. it doesn't even make sense...all children are born atheists...all that that means is that, when they are born, they do not, at that moment, hold a belief in a god or gods..do you actually deny this? [/ QUOTE ] no, he's thinking all atheists deny the existence of god. no infants deny the existence of god. therefore no infants are atheists. [/ QUOTE ] oh, in that case...standard, I suppose we really need a distinct word for someone who makes the claim that there is no god or gods. It sucks that this needs to be cleared up at the beginning of nearly every argument.
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08-04-2007, 07:58 PM
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no, he's thinking all atheists deny the existence of god. no infants deny the existence of god. therefore no infants are atheists. [/ QUOTE ] Let's see, a baby is born to a Buddhist family, the parents are atheists. There is no discussion of god in the household. At what age does the child become an atheist like the parents? luckyme
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08-04-2007, 08:07 PM
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[ QUOTE ] no, he's thinking all atheists deny the existence of god. no infants deny the existence of god. therefore no infants are atheists. [/ QUOTE ] Let's see, a baby is born to a Buddhist family, the parents are atheists. There is no discussion of god in the household. At what age does the child become an atheist like the parents? luckyme [/ QUOTE ] whenever he loses his free pass to heaven, i guess.
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