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11-11-2007, 01:50 AM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
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[ QUOTE ] I must ask though, is there a limit (beyond the above mentioned) to what these two players can do? Could they agree to only have 4 board cards? Could they play the rest of the hand as a modified stud hand? Could they make it hi-lo? [/ QUOTE ] I don't see why not. [/ QUOTE ] What if they bet big to get everyone else out, then agree to take bets back and check it down? Wouldn't be a great collusion strategy, but I feel that it's still collusion (the typical between friends kind). 
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#2
11-11-2007, 01:52 AM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I must ask though, is there a limit (beyond the above mentioned) to what these two players can do? Could they agree to only have 4 board cards? Could they play the rest of the hand as a modified stud hand? Could they make it hi-lo? [/ QUOTE ] I don't see why not. [/ QUOTE ] What if they bet big to get everyone else out, then agree to take bets back and check it down? Wouldn't be a great collusion strategy, but I feel that's still collusion (the typical between friends kind). [/ QUOTE ] In a case like this I would allow the other players at the table to object on the basis that it is collusive. I think you missed the part (it may not have been stated clearly) that the other players can't be harmed. If this were a game with a max buy-in I would not allow a player to pull money out of his pocket to win money another player has on the table heads up.
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#3
11-11-2007, 02:42 AM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
Can someone please show me where it is written that the rules go out the window when a hand is heads-up? I have never heard of that, have never read it anywhere, and the guy can't pull back part of his bet.
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#4
11-11-2007, 02:45 AM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
Interestingly enough the people who don't think the players should be allowed to do this only have one reason thats is because its the rule.
The point is it makes no difference to anyone if they agree to do this so other than a nit screaming but its the rule who would be objecting?
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#5
11-11-2007, 12:24 PM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
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Interestingly enough the people who don't think the players should be allowed to do this only have one reason thats is because its the rule. [/ QUOTE ] True, this is the primary reason (and in my opinion the best argument) to disallow. But also, what of the two players who "agree" to something and then there is a dispute as to what they actually agreed to. What is the dealer/floor to do? Revert back to whatever "rules" the house may have? Throw said "rules" out the window and try to discern the new "rules" (the agreement) these two players have conjured? I think in a perfect world it is the players' game. Ten years ago, any house runnin' a NL hold'em game would be foolish to disallow agreements between players. There were prolly < 1000 people in the world who played NL. To continue to hold such a view in the modern era of poker is pollyannaish. The game needs rules (even in the higher--maybe not the highest--but at least the highER limits) to coordinate the massive influx of new, inexperienced, and oh so blessed players.
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#6
11-11-2007, 06:16 PM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
As a dealer I would just call the floor and let them make the call but I know one thing if it was a raked game and pushed it to a higher limit the full rake would be taken.
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#7
11-11-2007, 03:21 AM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
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Can someone please show me where it is written that the rules go out the window when a hand is heads-up? I have never heard of that, have never read it anywhere, and the guy can't pull back part of his bet. [/ QUOTE ] I will spell out more clearly what psandman says in reply to this. Who says they can't pull back the bet? There are two people that have standing to say he can't pull back the bet and they are both in favor of it. As I posted earlier in this thread the dealer needs to stay out of it and mind his own business. It is the players' game, if the players want to hear from the dealer they will let him know.
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#8
11-11-2007, 06:31 AM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
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[ QUOTE ] Can someone please show me where it is written that the rules go out the window when a hand is heads-up? I have never heard of that, have never read it anywhere, and the guy can't pull back part of his bet. [/ QUOTE ] I will spell out more clearly what psandman says in reply to this. Who says they can't pull back the bet? There are two people that have standing to say he can't pull back the bet and they are both in favor of it. As I posted earlier in this thread the dealer needs to stay out of it and mind his own business. It is the players' game, if the players want to hear from the dealer they will let him know. [/ QUOTE ] The rule that says that action in turn is binding. The rule doesn't state action in turn is binding unless its heads up, then the players can discuss/negotiate the actual bet after the initial bet has been made. Why should they be able to take back any part of a bet? The dealer is there to manage the game, and that includes making sure the players adhere to the rules of the game, if you want the dealer to mind his own business, play in a home game. Casinos are business and are regulated by groups and rules that require them to run fair, impartial and consistent games the rules of which are not dictated by the players.
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#9
11-11-2007, 06:48 AM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
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The dealer is there to manage the game [/ QUOTE ] No he isn't. He is there to deal the cards. What is he going to do, physically restrain the players from doing what they want with their money? There is always a casino down the street that has dealers that understand they need to stay out of the game. edit to add: In most higher limit games if a dealer complains "a player told me to STFU" they will generally be told away form the table to talk less (or none at all). There are games where the dealer literally has nothing to say, ever.
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#10
11-13-2007, 03:44 AM
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Re: The dealer said I couldn\'t do it
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[ QUOTE ] The dealer is there to manage the game [/ QUOTE ] No he isn't. He is there to deal the cards. What is he going to do, physically restrain the players from doing what they want with their money? There is always a casino down the street that has dealers that understand they need to stay out of the game. [/ QUOTE ] No, but i promise you that if players are doing something that is either A. a blatant disregard of a rule(s), or B. will affect MY Job( because i didn't enforce something i should have) I will clarify the rule, if they ignore me or refuse to follow the rule(s) the game will stop until the situation is rectified by the floor. [ QUOTE ] edit to add: In most higher limit games if a dealer complains "a player told me to STFU" they will generally be told away form the table to talk less (or none at all). There are games where the dealer literally has nothing to say, ever. [/ QUOTE ] Not at Casino Arizona, i agree that in fact many times the less said by the dealer the better, but abuse just isn't tolerated.
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