25PLO - shove here?

[Nologo]

I just started making a serious effort to learn PLO recently, after getting a little tired of only grinding out NLHE. So far I've had a lot of success and run extremely hot.

No reads on the shortstacker, he's only been at the table for about 3 hands. Villian who cold called behind me on the flop is running at about 80/10 and only folds to flop bets 25% of the time. Should I be shoving this flop?


Full Tilt Poker - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $24.75
BB: $35.55
UTG: $10.05
Hero (MP): $25.05
CO: $22.95
BTN: $36.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.10</font>, CO calls $1.10, BTN calls $1.10, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.85

Flop: ($4.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.25</font>, CO calls $3.25, BTN folds, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $8.95</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $23.95</font>

Pot Size: $25.90 ($1.25 Rake)

[roggles]

First of all, this is not a good hand, and should definitely not be raised from UTG+1 in normal TAG play. Double suited does not mean it is a great hand. The hand is badly composed, with little going for it except flush.

As for the flop, why do you want to shove? Do you not want CO along for the ride?

[thisnamedoesntfi]

The flop looks like your hand does PF, that is, better than it really is.

[wazz]

Standard. This is a nice raising hand pf. I guess you nits just like to raise preflop, hit the nuts and get paid off by idiots rather than play poker somewhere along the way.

[gordo16]

It seriously hurts me a little bit inside when someone says that AK85 double-suited to the K and A is a bad hand in a 6max PLO game. In my eyes, this hand is completely standard the whole way through. Good raise, fine bet on the flop, and then I don't mind the push either.

[Toesack]

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Standard. This is a nice raising hand pf. I guess you nits just like to raise preflop, hit the nuts and get paid off by idiots rather than play poker somewhere along the way.

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In 25PLO, statistically there are roughly eight people going all-in at some point in every hand. You gotta pick your spots to shove and get in as a 70/30. Real poker is left for those playing the big-boy games.

[gordo16]

[/ QUOTE ]In 25PLO, statistically there are roughly eight people going all-in at some point in every hand. You gotta pick your spots to shove and get in as a 70/30. Real poker is left for those playing the big-boy games.

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Please, show me the stats where "roughly 8 people get all in at some point during the hand. P.S there are 6 players at this table...

[wazz]

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Standard. This is a nice raising hand pf. I guess you nits just like to raise preflop, hit the nuts and get paid off by idiots rather than play poker somewhere along the way.

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In 25PLO, statistically there are roughly eight people going all-in at some point in every hand. You gotta pick your spots to shove and get in as a 70/30. Real poker is left for those playing the big-boy games.

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Bro, I've paid my dues at $25PL and lower, and I play PLO live, so I know all about everyone calling every preflop raise and shoving every flop. That doesn't make any difference to the fact that this is a raise preflop.

You're right in that you gotta pick your spots to make sure you only get it in 70/30 or better. But that would be a losing strategy.

[mugenjin]

Call me a nit , but I don't see how a 2nd nut flush draw + a backdoor flush draw + a pair of 8's is shove material in PLO. Shorthanded or not.

[wazz]

You're a nit.