Hugo Chavez Death Pool Thread

[ConstantineX]

Unfortunately I don't think Fidel will be alive by the time Chavez leaves power. I have some hope for Cubans yet.

[ConstantineX]

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It seems that Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez is on the verge of accumulating through purely democratic means sweeping increases in power in order to deliver his promise of "Bolivarian socialism" to the people.

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It also seems that American presidents have already accumulated through purely democratic means sweeping increases in power in order to deliver their promise of "national security" to the people.

And it's been going on for at least 150 years with too few people noting or caring.

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Indeed. Let me be the first to refrain from any sort of "American exceptionalism" - but by any sort of objective observation, we're a far, far way off from a banana republic.

[zasterguava]

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This is not true of Latin America. And if you think it is you are either ignorant or deluded.

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try:

Argentina
Belize
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Guatemala
Honduras
Mexico
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Uruguay

plus all the islands

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Again am I being levelled? There has been an ongoing war by the US against democracy in Latin America which is no myth and not disupted by the Wall Street Journal or even CIA officials. Also did you read my post on Brazil? And LOL at Ecuador. Countries in Latin America either seek independence and democracy which means socialism with horrendous effects or fall foul to the imperial ambitions of the US with even more horrendous effects.

[wire]

Hopefully, Chavez gets strung up by his own people. But I wouldn't mind a Jason Bourne style black-op.

King of Spain to Chavez: "Por que no te callas?"

Chavez: "..."

Owned.

[skeptix]

I'm not gonna offer an opinion on Chavez. I think both he and the situation in his country are immensely complex and not fully understood by most. All I would suggest is that you watch the documentary "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" AKA "Chavez : Inside the Coup". When making opinions, it's best to gather as much information as possible to add context, and I think that this film adds an important piece of context.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363510/

[valenzuela]

zaster, u dont have the slightest clue on what ure talking about.

[zasterguava]

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zaster, u dont have the slightest clue on what ure talking about.

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I can assure you I know more about US involvement in Latin America than you do. How about you actually contribute something as opposed to a frivolous one sentence attack that adss nothing. I guess that's how one amounts 6k+ posts- little effort, litte knowledge.

[valenzuela]

zaster, ure flaw is that u propose a black or white scenario regarding deiplomatics relationships with USA. That POV is clearly mistkan becuase being USAs puppet would mean direct opposition to Venezuela, no country in SA is an american puppet as u propose, if it was like that then you bet Chavez would be spouting BS agaisnt that country.

[valenzuela]

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...fall foul to the imperial ambitions of the US with even more horrendous effects.


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What do you mean by horrendous effects?

[zasterguava]

Quick google search;

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US Intervention in Latin America
and the Caribbean - a Chronology
"I spent thirty three years and four months in active service as a member of our country’s most agile military force,
the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks, from a second lieutenant to major-general. And during that
period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street and for the
bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism...I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National
City Bank to collect revenues in...I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking house of Brown
Brothers...I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916…"
US General, Smedley D Butler, 1935
USA Pole, another at the Panama Canal and the
third at the South Pole. The whole hemisphere
will be ours in fact as, by virtue of our
superiority of race, it already is ours morally."
1914: The US navy shells the port city of Veracruz,
an attack apparently caused by the refusal of
some Mexicans to salute the Stars & Stripes.
During World War I, the US also invaded
Mexico and Hispaniola (present day
Dominican Republic and Haiti). They stayed
for 20 years.
1933: US forces leave Nicaragua leaving dictator
Anastasio Somoza and his National Guard in
control.
1954: The CIA orchestrates the overthrow of the
democratically-elected government of Jacobo
Arbenz, in Guatemala. A Guatemalan poet
described the Arbenz government as "years of
spring in a country of eternal tyranny." Almost
40 years of violence and repression followed,
culminating in the "scorched earth" government
terror of the 1980s. Over 150,000 people
lost their lives.
1961: US-backed forces invade Cuba but suffer
defeat at the Bay of Pigs.
1965: 23,000 troops sent to the Dominican
Republic to "restore order", following a popular
uprising against the country ’s military
regime.
1973: A US-backed coup overthrows the elected
government of Salvador Allende, ushering in
the regime of General Augusto Pinochet.
1981: The Reagan Administration initiates the "contra
war" against the Sandinista government in
Nicaragua.
1983: US invasion of Grenada.
1989: US invasion of Panama to arrest one-time protégé,
Manual Noriega. The operation leaves
thousands of civilian casualties.
1990: Massive US intervention in the Nicaraguan
election process through covert and overt
means. Washington openly funded the opposition
coalition, yet such foreign funding of US
parties would be illegal under US law.
2000: As part of the "War on Drugs", the US launches
Plan Colombia, a massive civil and military
aid programme for a country with perhaps the
worst human rights record in the hemisphere.
Total US funding is $1.3 bn, with 83 percent
of that going to the military. Plan Colombia
later becomes subsumed into the War on
Terror.
2002: The US supports and funds elements that
organised the unsuccessful April 11 coup in
Venezuela.

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