25PLO - shove here?

[mugenjin]

What on earth are u putting this guy on ? You're FD may def not be good , even if you hit Aces up on the turn that may not be good .
That leaves the backdoor flush.
You might think that 2nd nut and 3rd nut draws are ok shorthanded but keep playing them and you'll find out otherwise.

[thisnamedoesntfi]

What's he beating here? Looks like a good hand and it isn't trash, but he isn't beating much is he?

I'm not a very experienced player, so my questions are genuine, why shove here? So you can say you're not a nit?

[alavet]

i dont uderstand why we isolating CO with such hand

to me,
call>>>>>>>shove

[I dunno]

Hero shoves because he is forced to call the all-in, but by doing so he is giving CO great odds. If hero shoves, CO should be folding most hands than are currently beating him or could beat him by the river, while cleaning up some outs. Shorty isn't going to have a set everytime, maybe not even the majority.

[Rob121]

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What on earth are u putting this guy on ? You're FD may def not be good , even if you hit Aces up on the turn that may not be good .
That leaves the backdoor flush.
You might think that 2nd nut and 3rd nut draws are ok shorthanded but keep playing them and you'll find out otherwise.

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you must be up a lot of money in omaha.

[jpg7n16]

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What's he beating here? Looks like a good hand and it isn't trash, but he isn't beating much is he?

I'm not a very experienced player, so my questions are genuine, why shove here? So you can say you're not a nit?

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Honestly, he isn't beating much. But he does have a draw that figures to beat the guy who's allin.

What does CO have here? Probably not a lot either.

If you're compelled to call the allin for your flush draw, why not take a shot at knocking out CO while you're at it (making him forfeit the 3.5 he already invested). If he folds, it costs the same as calling since you get your money back anyways. If he calls, you still have a nice draw.

[Rob121]

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i dont uderstand why we isolating CO with such hand

to me,
call>>>>>>>shove

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maybe cause if we hit an ace or king, or 8, are hand will be best and take town the medium sized pot. by not raising the other guy might be give odds to draw to his hand.

[blah_blah]

wow this hand seems totally fine and everyone who thinks that this is spewy is a huge nit. UTG is probably horrible and is def behind your range, and CO will probably fold weak made hands and weak draws here.

[thisnamedoesntfi]

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What's he beating here? Looks like a good hand and it isn't trash, but he isn't beating much is he?

I'm not a very experienced player, so my questions are genuine, why shove here? So you can say you're not a nit?

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Honestly, he isn't beating much. But he does have a draw that figures to beat the guy who's allin.

What does CO have here? Probably not a lot either.

If you're compelled to call the allin for your flush draw, why not take a shot at knocking out CO while you're at it (making him forfeit the 3.5 he already invested). If he folds, it costs the same as calling since you get your money back anyways. If he calls, you still have a nice draw.

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OK cheers.

[Nologo]

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What's he beating here? Looks like a good hand and it isn't trash, but he isn't beating much is he?

I'm not a very experienced player, so my questions are genuine, why shove here? So you can say you're not a nit?

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Honestly, he isn't beating much. But he does have a draw that figures to beat the guy who's allin.

What does CO have here? Probably not a lot either.

If you're compelled to call the allin for your flush draw, why not take a shot at knocking out CO while you're at it (making him forfeit the 3.5 he already invested). If he folds, it costs the same as calling since you get your money back anyways. If he calls, you still have a nice draw.

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This was pretty much my reasoning. I don't think there's any question I'm beating both ranges here, the fact that CO is a huge calling station means I most likely have a lot more equity against him than I would against a reasonable player. I disliked flatcalling the shove because I don't have a strong made hand, just a good draw, and it puts me in a kind of awkward spot on the turn if I blank.


Anyway, CO folded, shortstack had J643, I spiked an 8 on the turn and took it down.