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#1
10-18-2007, 01:00 PM
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Hows my line - Am i correct to check turn to induce a bluff
BB ($31)
UTG ($100) UTG+1 ($99) UTG+2 ($225) MP1 ($103.75) MP2 ($29) CO ($85.30) Hero ($92.75) SB ($99) ANTES/BLINDS SB posts blind ($1), UTG posts blind ($1). PRE-FLOP : Hero has Kd 3d As Ac BB calls $1, UTG checks, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 bets $3, MP2 calls $3, CO folds, Hero bets $10, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls $7, MP2 folds. FLOP: 6s 2c 4h MP1 checks, Hero bets $15, MP1 calls $15. TURN: 4d MP1 checks, Hero checks. RIVER: Qd MP1 bets $56, Hero bets $67.75 and is all-in, MP1 folds. I have ZERO info on villain; no hand history; so i 'assume' he's raising here with 4 big cards; possibly KK in hindsight. I check the turn because i think he's nowhere near and possibly drawing very slim, or even dead Whats my line if he checks river? thanks 
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#2
10-18-2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: Hows my line - Am i correct to check turn to induce a bluff
Dude. I DEFINITELY don't think a turn check should be for the reason of inducing a bl00f. If anything, it's some pot control for yourself. Your main goal post turn, is to see this down cheaply. I definitely don't like your river push. Not saying you won't pick off the occasional bluff (which it seems like here) but a lot of the time this is a losing play I reckon.
[ QUOTE ] Whats my line if he checks river? [/ QUOTE ] Probably worth a 1/2 pot bet and fold to a shove although you probably won't have much to call so.... eh, check this down unless you can read this guy's soul.
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#4
10-18-2007, 01:30 PM
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Re: Hows my line - Am i correct to check turn to induce a bluff
9/10 times i fold this on the river;
i just didn't see why he would smooth call oop on the flop here then check the turn unless he had nowt and was sandbagging (is that the correct term?) as for my raise; i decided IF i was good i might as well stick the last 11.5 in; it took me my whole time to decide; once i decided i was likely good (in this particular spot) i might as well stick the last 10bb in to original replier; i'm working hard to plug my leaks; which mostly seem to be betting in these spots when behind or checking when i should bet; pot control was to be honest, my main reason for checking the turn; i ; the induce a bluff was a slight posibility that happened to work out this time; and the river push is as explained above; if he bets 1/2 pot i might call or i might fold, but i almost never push; it just so happened it was a relatively tiny amount more. Anyone think i should pot the turn? or 1/2 pot?
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#6
10-18-2007, 01:40 PM
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Re: Hows my line - Am i correct to check turn to induce a bluff
well simply put; you can't be done with this hand just because you get a caller;
don't get me wrong; i don't think my line was correct; quite possibly its a terrible play; however; you start laying down aces every time a small flop comes, your gonna lose money; a vast % of my winnings comes from playing aces (and cracking aces)
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#7
10-18-2007, 01:47 PM
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Re: Hows my line - Am i correct to check turn to induce a bluff
If he checks the river, I check behind. I check turn because I want to avoid turn check/raise by dangling 4. On the river call is fine because villian most likely has kkxx or a wrap that he tried to float. Push is ok but nothing you beat calls.
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#8
10-18-2007, 03:08 PM
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Re: Hows my line - Am i correct to check turn to induce a bluff
yeah roughly my line chucky;
Just a word on the river 'push'; given that his bet represents 84%; once you call; surely its 'only' a minor mistake pushing for the last 16%...in fact it might even become a +ev push! if he'd bet 1/2 or 2/3 pot; not only do i not raise; i might be more likely to fold
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#9
10-18-2007, 03:14 PM
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Re: Hows my line - Am i correct to check turn to induce a bluff
[ QUOTE ]
yeah roughly my line chucky; Just a word on the river 'push'; given that his bet represents 84%; once you call; surely its 'only' a minor mistake pushing for the last 16%...in fact it might even become a +ev push! if he'd bet 1/2 or 2/3 pot; not only do i not raise; i might be more likely to fold [/ QUOTE ] That is why I said river push is ok. Villian was a moron to bet that much on the river if he was not going to call a push. Villian's biggest mistake was betting hard at river after checking turn. I'd like villian's like better if he had a 4 because big river bet seems bluffier here.
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#10
10-18-2007, 08:56 PM
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Re: Hows my line - Am i correct to check turn to induce a bluff
[ QUOTE ]
i just didn't see why he would smooth call oop on the flop here then check the turn unless he had nowt and was sandbagging (is that the correct term?) [/ QUOTE ] He couldn't have a 4? A lot of players would raise KK4X, QQ4X, AKQ4, AK34ds or some hand where the 4 was the same suit as a high card... and then c/c the flop with just an overpair, straight draw or one pair. Hitting trips on the turn would make most players go for a check-raise. You have no read on villain so he could be raising with anything. I think that most of the time this is a very risky call.
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