5/10- River Bluff vs LeatherAss

[catcher193]

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jfish i wouldn't instacall, but i would definitely call. if he shows me something tricky then i adjust from there, but fact of the matter is, no one at these stakes is really that creative and will never have a flush or boat here given action

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I probably shouldn't be saying this but you never ever mix it up in regards to a tradition slow play, and you bet almost your entire floating range on the turn too, the only thing you have on this river is a weak complete hand, but still, who knows if he will nut up and call or not.

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[aislephive]

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you play a flush or set like this because you will never be given credit

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Well you play a flush / set like that because that's the obvious play.

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jfish i wouldn't instacall, but i would definitely call. if he shows me something tricky then i adjust from there, but fact of the matter is, no one at these stakes is really that creative and will never have a flush or boat here given action

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You said we raise with a set or flush here because we're never given credit, that could very well be true but we're raising because it makes no sense not to more than anything else.

[Ship Ship McGipp]

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you play a flush or set like this because you will never be given credit

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Well you play a flush / set like that because that's the obvious play.

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im not following?

jfish i wouldn't instacall, but i would definitely call. if he shows me something tricky then i adjust from there, but fact of the matter is, no one at these stakes is really that creative and will never have a flush or boat here given action

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You said we raise with a set or flush here because we're never given credit, that could very well be true but we're raising because it makes no sense not to more than anything else.

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so how did we get to the river then? did i have JT and was floating and magically pokerstars changed my cards to bottom set while i was looking at another table?

[TheWorstPlayer]

you only do this to LA and Elky? Do you play poker with your eyes closed or do you just never pay attention?

[aislephive]

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you play a flush or set like this because you will never be given credit

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Well you play a flush / set like that because that's the obvious play.

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im not following?

jfish i wouldn't instacall, but i would definitely call. if he shows me something tricky then i adjust from there, but fact of the matter is, no one at these stakes is really that creative and will never have a flush or boat here given action

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You said we raise with a set or flush here because we're never given credit, that could very well be true but we're raising because it makes no sense not to more than anything else.

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so how did we get to the river then? did i have JT and was floating and magically pokerstars changed my cards to bottom set while i was looking at another table?

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I get what you and Krantz are saying now and you're right. I misunderstood what you guys were getting at and I think I misread the hand history as well.

[jfish]

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jfish i wouldn't instacall, but i would definitely call. if he shows me something tricky then i adjust from there, but fact of the matter is, no one at these stakes is really that creative and will never have a flush or boat here given action

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meh i usually wait for them to show me a bluff before i start calling. ive been running bad on hero calls and its been making be a pussy.

[ipokeder]

i think whether or not a good player will decide to call a river shove is irrelevant to whether the river is a +EV bluff vs leatherass

[jfish]

i know, i found what krantz said pretty counter-intuitive to me and i just wanted some clarification for why he felt the way he did. sry for going OT.

[Melchiades]

Considering how people expected him to fold pretty much anything but the nuts in the other thread, I wouldn't think he is the one to make a herocall here, even though the situations are obviously not the same at all.

[TheWorstPlayer]

but people who expected him to fold everything but the nuts in the other hand are crazy