$114 hand vs. Ryanghall - Page 3

Pudge714 · #1 04-17-2006, 04:19 PM

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Hold that point.

I think it's pretty hard to assume that anyone is folding QQ here so it really doesn't matter.

Ryan

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It is very hard to assume anyone is folding QQ here, however based on your posts here I would give you credit to fold QQ here most of the time. I would shove a much bigger range against you than against an unknown.

Pasterbator · #2 04-17-2006, 04:22 PM

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Hold that point.

I think it's pretty hard to assume that anyone is folding QQ here so it really doesn't matter.

Ryan

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It is very hard to assume anyone is folding QQ here, however based on your posts here I would give you credit to fold QQ here most of the time. I would shove a much bigger range against you than against an unknown.

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That would be really bad. He definitely has a tight range here, so more often than not, he's going to have AA/KK/QQ AND NOT FOLD. I doubt he's folding QQ on a regular basis, but against this particular opponent who's range seems to be JJ+, AK, its a good fold.

suzzer99 · #3 04-17-2006, 04:08 PM

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I had QQ.

I should have perhaps reraised preflop, but it's close. Once eagles pushed, I put him on KK/AA so I folded.

I'm quite surprised he pushed JJ, as I think it's an easy fold.

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Well I had you wrong, but at least this proves my point about why I'd push QQ here. You might have stacked him. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Eagles · #4 04-17-2006, 04:26 PM

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I had QQ.

I should have perhaps reraised preflop, but it's close. Once eagles pushed, I put him on KK/AA so I folded.

I'm quite surprised he pushed JJ, as I think it's an easy fold.

Ryan

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Well let me explain the reasoning behind my play once you cold call that raise I figure that you're range would be larger becauase it seemed clear to me and I assumed to you that UTG was pushing a very large range. I'm sure that you have seen short stacks in early levels consistently make pushes with bad and marginal hands then you cold called. Now I figured given you're read you are calling there with something along the lines of 99+ AQ+. However more importantly I knew it would be very difficult for you to call my shove with QQ and AK. Which made it in my mind a much better shove because you probably need KK+ to call. Now given how I played it I still think you're fold was correct because my range here at the absolute most is JJ+ which means you are behind my range. More importantly in terms of you're play you should not have reraised think about it all reraising does is let opponents play perfectly against you obviously aa and kk are calling and you are not letting you're selves get action from worse hands. Think about if another play at the table has JJ you definetely are getting action from them and could possibly bust them if an unknown shoves are you calling? This scenario is pretty much the only one where reraising is correct.

ryanghall · #5 04-17-2006, 04:28 PM

I'd have to be on crack to call with with AQ or 99.

Ryan

Eagles · #6 04-17-2006, 04:34 PM

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I'd have to be on crack to call with with AQ or 99.

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I know you're utg+1 but your crushing his range.

ryanghall · #7 04-17-2006, 04:49 PM

Again, it's not his range that's relevant. It's the fact that 7 people are left to act behind me and I obviously can't call an allin w/ AQ, 99

Melchiades · #8 04-17-2006, 04:30 PM

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think about it all reraising does is let opponents play perfectly against you

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People playing perfectly against you is better than people forcing you out with a worse hand though. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Just saying.

Pasterbator · #9 04-17-2006, 04:33 PM

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think about it all reraising does is let opponents play perfectly against you

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People playing perfectly against you is better than people forcing you out with a worse hand though. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Just saying.

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Isn't that the same thing?

Melchiades · #10 04-17-2006, 04:42 PM

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think about it all reraising does is let opponents play perfectly against you

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People playing perfectly against you is better than people forcing you out with a worse hand though. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Just saying.

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Isn't that the same thing?

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I guess. I assumed by "play perfectly against you" he meant folding all weaker hands and calling/raising with stronger hands though which would have been preferable to what actually happened in this hand. Mostly I was just joking.